Politics RUMOR: Lin Manuel Miranda and Weird Al to Redo Hall of Presidents

[_caleb]

I have no idea. I've never seen it so I can't offer an opinion.

I've seen enough movies and TV shows to know that usually there is at least some subtle political message in the majority of dramatic productions.

So you've seen enough shows not written by LMM to think that one written by LMM would be (at least subtly) partisan?

 

[WondersOfLife]

Somebody saw him in Hamilton, agreed with the popular opinion that he wasn’t the greatest singer, and is now trying to drag him through the mud.

Lazy critique.

Lazy critique? Nah fam. I know nothing what the entire Hamilton-viewing crowd opinion. I earned a college degree Theatre Arts and anybody who knows anything about acting techniques and how to cast a show can tell you that he just isn’t good.

Hamilton in and of itself is a terrible show. If you have to listen to a soundtrack before attending a performance to be able to understand the lyrics of the songs that set up a story (because they’re being rapped too fast), then it shouldn’t be onstage. It’s at that point just a music concert. I purposefully didn’t listen to the soundtrack for H. because I wanted to be in awe based on all the praise it got. What did I hear when I saw It live? Slurred words, rapping too fast, and both me and my parents couldn’t understand what was going on sometimes as a result. My fiancée and roommate went too and they knew the whole soundtrack and agreed with me.

The soundtrack is amazing, but not as a show. Lin Manuel can write, but he cannot act.

I’m glad it won all the awards it did though, because it was definitely groundbreaking on many aspect. I will never credit Lin as a good actor though.

 

[WondersOfLife]

He was perfect for in the heights.

I disagree with that as well. He shouldn’t be onstage. But that’s just my personal opinion at this point I reckon.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Hamilton in and of itself is a terrible show.

LOL.

I guess it's no Hoop de doo Revue, huh?

 

[Touchdown]

I try to listen to soundtracks of every show I go to, while that’s partially to make sure I’ll enjoy it before I pay the high price for a ticket, it’s also so I don’t have to concentrate on the lyrics to follow the story, between all the choreography and acting that is involved for the actors and the acoustics of the building it’s never going to be the best pure vocal experience. Unlike Opera, a “stand and sing” number is the exception rather then the rule in musicals. You need to know the story and lyrics so you can focus on the acting performances and choreography otherwise it’s just an overload of information.

I made the mistake of seeing Les Mis completely blind and I hated the show, it wasn’t until I listened to the soundtrack and re-saw it that I grew to enjoy it. Much like going to WDW, going to live musical theatre requires homework prior to going to fully enjoy it.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I've seen enough movies and TV shows to know that usually there is at least some subtle political message in the majority of dramatic productions

So we need to take out it’s a small world because it was written by men who wrote music for movies and dramatic productions? Clearly that whole “world peace” theme has some sort of subtle political message?

I made the mistake of seeing Les Mis completely blind and I hated the show, it wasn’t until I listened to the soundtrack and re-saw it that I grew to enjoy it. Much like going to WDW, going to live musical theatre requires homework prior to going to fully enjoy it.

Oh see I’m the opposite. I listened to too much of next to normal and it ruined the surprises for me. After that I go in as blind as I can and I feel it’s usually for the best. And yes that includes Hamilton, I went without knowing the soundtrack and I did fine and was never lost in the story. But that’s me.

 

[DisneyCane]

So we need to take out it’s a small world because it was written by men who wrote music for movies and dramatic productions? Clearly that whole “world peace” theme has some sort of subtle political message?

No. The OP said that they were going to create a "non-partisan" show. All I said was I was skeptical of that, especially since the Presidency is, by definition, a political position. Avatar/FoP has a not so subtle political message. That doesn't mean I think it should be taken out or changed. My comment was specific to the rumor.

 

[WondersOfLife]

LOL.

I guess it's no Hoop de doo Revue, huh?

Can you understand what they’re saying in Hoop de doo?

 

[WondersOfLife]

Much like Moana being made only for its soundtrack rather than its storytelling... I feel The same way about Hamilton as a broadway show.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Oh see I’m the opposite. I listened to too much of next to normal and it ruined the surprises for me. After that I go in as blind as I can and I feel it’s usually for the best. And yes that includes Hamilton, I went without knowing the soundtrack and I did fine and was never lost in the story. But that’s me.

Although this may be drifting, I have been completely aloof from the whole Hamilton craze and never listened to the soundtrack. When I was briefly in Chicago in December (I live in the Netherlands) I decided to catch that production and really liked it a lot. Maybe I would have got more out of it had I heard the soundtrack beforehand, but I can say that it wasn't necessary to enjoy it and understand what was going on. At least for me, anyway.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Can you understand what they’re saying in Hoop de doo?

I'm done... You might have permanent damage from all the pixie dust.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I'm done... You might have permanent damage from all the pixie dust.

I've never seen the show. It was an honest question.

 

[Turtle]

Talented writer. Horrible actor.

Love the guy, but he should’ve originally just cast an actually good actor to play Hamilton. His own acting ability was the weakness in the original show. (Obviously it didn’t hurt the show hardly at all but still! Coulda been perfect.)

I agree with this. The rest of the hate against him on this forum is unfounded. Bad actor. Great writer.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Horrible actor.

Bad actor.

This is not meant to be argumentative - who are your favorite broadway actors?

Cause I’m trying to think through how I would compare him as an actor... I feel like his shows are so much a part of him that he can just be himself to an extent.

 

[Turtle]

This is not meant to be argumentative - who are your favorite broadway actors?

Cause I’m trying to think through how I would compare him as an actor... I feel like his shows are so much a part of him that he can just be himself to an extent.

Hmm. Andrew Rannells and Nathan Lane are the only that come to mind.

 

[Touchdown]

He’s not a great actor, but he’s a heck of a lot better then I am and I suspect anyone on this forum. He’s starred in 2 broadway plays, and has also broken into movies. Horrible actor is a stretch, he’s fine.

 

[DisneyCane]

So you've seen enough shows not written by LMM to think that one written by LMM would be (at least subtly) partisan?

I said I was "skeptical" that they would create a completely non-partisan show. I don't "think" as I don't know what they will come up with.

 

[JohnD]

Lazy critique? Nah fam. I know nothing what the entire Hamilton-viewing crowd opinion. I earned a college degree Theatre Arts and anybody who knows anything about acting techniques and how to cast a show can tell you that he just isn’t good.

Hamilton in and of itself is a terrible show. If you have to listen to a soundtrack before attending a performance to be able to understand the lyrics of the songs that set up a story (because they’re being rapped too fast), then it shouldn’t be onstage. It’s at that point just a music concert. I purposefully didn’t listen to the soundtrack for H. because I wanted to be in awe based on all the praise it got. What did I hear when I saw It live? Slurred words, rapping too fast, and both me and my parents couldn’t understand what was going on sometimes as a result. My fiancée and roommate went too and they knew the whole soundtrack and agreed with me.

The soundtrack is amazing, but not as a show. Lin Manuel can write, but he cannot act.

I’m glad it won all the awards it did though, because it was definitely groundbreaking on many aspect. I will never credit Lin as a good actor though.

Well, it's great for Disney+ because I can turn on subtitles. Without them, I wouldn't be able to understand the show. LMM isn't the best singer but he does know his part. I enjoyed it for what it was and even appreciate its telling of American history in a modern form. Still, no retheme of Liberty Square, please. If they want to do a short show at the AA pavilion (similar to Disney on Broadway during the EFOTA, I'm fine with that.

 

[JohnD]

All right, all right, I'll settle this. I will write a new show that goes in the Hall Of Presidents. An epic musical extravaganza about that great American... Adlai Stevenson! Here's a preview-

Adlai Stevenson
A giant of a man, he weighs a ton!
Adlai Stevenson
And now his story's begun!

Since it's not a celebrity doing the new show, everyone should be cool with this, right? (And I haven't even gotten into the song featuring the phony Final Fantasy 6 quotes!)

Actually, I think the new show in HOP should be a show about all nations but mostly America.

 

[SirWillow]

I earned a college degree Theatre Arts and anybody who knows anything about acting techniques and how to cast a show can tell you that he just isn’t good.

Yep, your college degree definitely outweighs his career experience, his Tony Awards, 2 successful broadway shows, and all of the other awards he's won.