Rumor from a Monorail worker.

ChrisFL

Premium Member
From what I've heard, Eisner really disliked Universal when he was working at Paramount, a kind of rivalry I suppose, and that carried with him when he joined Disney.

Its still amazing how little there was to do when MGM studios opened, does anyone know what the budget for it was? I'd venture a guess at $500 million TBH
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
From what I've heard, Eisner really disliked Universal when he was working at Paramount, a kind of rivalry I suppose, and that carried with him when he joined Disney.

Its still amazing how little there was to do when MGM studios opened, does anyone know what the budget for it was? I'd venture a guess at $500 million TBH

$500 million was the estimated cost.
 

articos

Well-Known Member
I've also heard that Universal wanted a joint project with Disney.
There was some back and forth discussion early on (in the early 80s) within Universal on building a shared studio facility in FL with Paramount. There was also some internal discussion about partnering with Disney and Fox when it was talked about as primarily a production facility. As soon as they started thinking about the property as a tourist destination and expansion of the tour (which was in no small part due to Spielberg's involvement), utilizing the backlot as a full-fledged theme park and the numbers were run, it was always to be a stand-alone competitor to WDW. MCA realized the potential, partnered with The Rank Group for the funding and went to work.

Universal's property actually did open prior to MGM, but only for production. The park was delayed from Dec 89 into 1990.
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
From what I've heard, Eisner really disliked Universal when he was working at Paramount, a kind of rivalry I suppose, and that carried with him when he joined Disney.

Its still amazing how little there was to do when MGM studios opened, does anyone know what the budget for it was? I'd venture a guess at $500 million TBH
Just looked it up. It was exactly $500 million when it first opened in 1989. This is not adjusted for inflation. It also doesn't include any of the rides or sections that opened later, like Star Tours (which opened 1990). DAK cost $800 million when it first opened. EPCOT Center was $1.4 billion on opening day. TZToT was $140 million.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Just looked it up. It was exactly $500 million when it first opened in 1989. This is not adjusted for inflation. It also doesn't include any of the rides or sections that opened later, like Star Tours (which opened 1990). DAK cost $800 million when it first opened. EPCOT Center was $1.4 billion on opening day. TZToT was $140 million.
Disney MGM was $550 million to open, up from the original $300m. EPCOT Center was $1.2 Billion to and including opening.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Adjusting for inflation makes those numbers even bigger!
Disney-MGM Studios: $1.02 billion
EPCOT Center: $2.86 billion

Indeed it shows how much effort was put into EPCOT. Although I think more than other parks EPCOT was heavily sponsored. Not that other parks don't have sponsors but EPCOT had a lot on opening day.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Remember, EPCOT Center was 100% over budget. Opening that one park almost made the whole company collapse.
Correct, but Disney was a much smaller company back then.

Back then,
Disney only had ONE cable channel (Disney Channel)
No ABC/ESPN
An animated film every four years
Very small live action film slate
No television animation dept
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
Indeed it shows how much effort was put into EPCOT. Although I think more than other parks EPCOT was heavily sponsored. Not that other parks don't have sponsors but EPCOT had a lot on opening day.
Also, the opening day figures for EPCOT does not include Living Seas, Horizons, the health/life pavilion, Morocco, and Norway. I don't know what the budget for Horizons was, but that was completely wasted when they bulldozed it to make room for MS and spent an additional $100 million on that attraction! Also, the original EPCOT opening figure INCLUDED monorail extension from TTC and utilidores, important infrastructure that was never included or built for DHS or DAK.

I know that Hollywood Boulevard and TZToT were built as one project. Does anyone know if the $140 million included Hollywood Boulevard? If not, what was the total including Hollywood Boulevard?

I think Fantasmic was built as a separate project. Does anyone know how much that was? Also, I tried to find the numbers for RRRC and can't find it. Anyone know what that cost?

I think the $550 million figure included Star Tours. It would be $500 million without Star Tours.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Also, the opening day figures for EPCOT does not include Living Seas, Horizons, the health/life pavilion, Morocco, and Norway. I don't know what the budget for Horizons was, but that was completely wasted when they bulldozed it to make room for MS and spent an additional $100 million on that attraction! Also, the original EPCOT opening figure INCLUDED monorail extension from TTC and utilidores, important infrastructure that was never included or built for DHS or DAK.

I know that Hollywood Boulevard and TZToT were built as one project. Does anyone know if the $140 million included Hollywood Boulevard? If not, what was the total including Hollywood Boulevard?

I think Fantasmic was built as a separate project. Does anyone know how much that was? Also, I tried to find the numbers for RRRC and can't find it. Anyone know what that cost?

I think the $550 million figure included Star Tours. It would be $500 million without Star Tours.

I think EPCOT was created the way Walt would have wanted it. I know EPCOT is the wrong name for the park but I know it's been said Walt would have wanted a park that was a permenant worlds fair. I think the finished product was a true representation of that vision. However, It is a shame that the park wasn't maintained the way it should have been. It also wasn't expanded in quite the way it was expected to be.
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
I think EPCOT was created the way Walt would have wanted it. I know EPCOT is the wrong name for the park but I know it's been said Walt would have wanted a park that was a permenant worlds fair. I think the finished product was a true representation of that vision. However, It is a shame that the park wasn't maintained the way it should have been. It also wasn't expanded in quite the way it was expected to be.

No, Walt wanted to build the City of the Future. He became interested in the idea of Imagineering urban planning, including infrastructure, transportation, public spaces, living spaces, work spaces, and architecture. He realized that if a city was planned in much the same way Disneyland was planned, many of the problems inherent of modern cities could be solved, including traffic, inner city decay, employment, poverty, and even crime! He believed WDW (with the real EPCOT at its center) could demonstrate this. If he could prove these ideas true through WDW and EPCOT, it would have become the ideal city in which future developments and redevelopments throughout the nation would attempt to emulate.

This completely scared his successors. Roy had faith in his brother's plan but was too old to see it though, perfering instead to focus on the resort part of Walt's plan, leaving the EPCOT part of the plan to a younger generation of executives in the future who could see it through. That never happened. Instead, the younger generation executives became history revisionists and planted the idea of Disney wanting to build a permanent world's fair - an urban legend that is furthest from the truth. If you put yourself in their shoes, you can understand why.

- The business of curing urban ills was a business the company had zero experience in. Almost as if they felt guilty of deviating from Walt's intentions, they created divisions to sell urban transportation systems to cities, such as the one that was later sold to Bombardiar that held the patents of both the monorail and WEDway Peoplemover systems (two systems were built outside of Disney's parks: one at the Houston Airport and another underneath the capital buildings of Washington DC for exclusive use by US lawmakers).

- The unnerving idea that a company would undemocratically control the lives of some 30,000 people was a big, big problem that - understandably - the executives wanted no part of.

Walt Disney thought he knew how to make it work, but despite the fact that models, plans, blue prints, art rendering, etc. had been thoroughly developed by the time Walt Disney passed, it were political and executive questions that (while probably answered in the mind of Walt Disney) were totally not understood by any of his successors.

I can totally understand Walt's passion and interest in this subject. To do it right, any successor has to have that same passion, interest, and drive - which non of them had/have. Some projects around the world are finally being constructed and will put some of Walt's ideas for EPCOT to the test, such. as MASDAR in Abu Dabi.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
No, Walt wanted to build the City of the Future. He became interested in the idea of Imagineering urban planning, including infrastructure, transportation, public spaces, living spaces, work spaces, and architecture. He realized that if a city was planned in much the same way Disneyland was planned, many of the problems inherent of modern cities could be solved, including traffic, inner city decay, employment, poverty, and even crime! He believed WDW (with the real EPCOT at its center) could demonstrate this. If he could prove these ideas true through WDW and EPCOT, it would have become the ideal city in which future developments and redevelopments throughout the nation would attempt to emulate.

This completely scared his successors. Roy had faith in his brother's plan but was too old to see it though, perfering instead to focus on the resort part of Walt's plan, leaving the EPCOT part of the plan to a younger generation of executives in the future who could see it through. That never happened. Instead, the younger generation executives became history revisionists and planted the idea of Disney wanting to build a permanent world's fair - an urban legend that is furthest from the truth. If you put yourself in their shoes, you can understand why.

- The business of curing urban ills was a business the company had zero experience in. Almost as if they felt guilty of deviating from Walt's intentions, they created divisions to sell urban transportation systems to cities, such as the one that was later sold to Bombardiar that held the patents of both the monorail and WEDway Peoplemover systems (two systems were built outside of Disney's parks: one at the Houston Airport and another underneath the capital buildings of Washington DC for exclusive use by US lawmakers).

- The unnerving idea that a company would undemocratically control the lives of some 30,000 people was a big, big problem that - understandably - the executives wanted no part of.

Walt Disney thought he knew how to make it work, but despite the fact that models, plans, blue prints, art rendering, etc. had been thoroughly developed by the time Walt Disney passed, it were political and executive questions that (while probably answered in the mind of Walt Disney) were totally not understood by any of his successors.

I can totally understand Walt's passion and interest in this subject. To do it right, any successor has to have that same passion, interest, and drive - which non of them had/have. Some projects around the world are finally being constructed and will put some of Walt's ideas for EPCOT to the test, such. as MASDAR in Abu Dabi.

I know, in my post I acknowledged while his EPCOT dream wasn't fulfilled they applied the name to another idea he was working on. That idea was a permenant worlds fair. EPCOT became a misnomer as a tribute to his first idea.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
I heard that as part of the next promotion, one lucky family was going to have the monorail extended to their house. However, there is suspicion that Disney is trying to rig the game to ensure that the family is North American.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom