Roy & Stanley to sue Disney

Woody13 · May 9, 2005

speck76 said:
Nice of you to chime in Woody......unfortunately, most who support Roy do not know business at all.....they think with their hearts, and they are blinded by truth....

It is sad.

Well, I just thought it my duty to help the anti-christ.:wave:

CTXRover · May 9, 2005

mickhyperion said:
No offense to you personally in any way, but it is this kind of thinking that is prevalent on the Disney discussion boards and it is childish and immature and typical of the short American attention span. Comments are made like "Oh, I'm TIRED of hearing about Roy Disney" and "Why can't he just go away?" because he is apparently "ruining" their itty bitty little magic.

The entire SaveDisney campaign has never been about petty issues such as being invited to parties or who gets their name read aloud on television the most. It is about fraudulent corporate governance in.....

Just to play devil's advocate and not to pick apart your comment personally, but how are the claims about Eisner and co. all over these boards concerning him ruining the company any more childish than some of these claims against Roy? They're really not. There are vaild arguments to support both angles for both men, but a lot are child-like arguments. The idea of the motive behind the suit being a result of not being offered to attend the 50th is an analogy of the questionable motives for Roy and Stanely. While not true (well, at least I hope so), it raises the question, what is really driving these men's quest now?

Personally, I just don't buy Roy's efforts as sincere anymore. It DID start off with intentions of addressing the corporate governance at Disney and trying to create change. I supported that effort wholeheartedly, joined the SaveDisney campaign and was hoping for the best. A lot of other people joined that effort because they agreed as well. But it didn't take too long for me to look right through the smoke and mirrors and see it was really about a personal vidnetta against Eisner and basically utter hate for the board. I just don't buy their campaign anymore.

Suits like this have the possibility of destablizing a rebounding company. While I imagine there is merit to the case, the question is was it necessary? Will more good than damage come from it? What are the real motives behind it? At what point will they be happy? What is REALLY the best thing for the company? Is it a true quest for change or personal dislike of all involved in the board? Is Iger the right man for the job? If not, who out there is ready to take on such a unique company?

disneyplanet · May 9, 2005

Ok Ok now we are back to 6 month ago.

Who could run the TWDC..

Eisner ... Was good in the begining. made many changes was great . because power Hungery Micro manager. politicial. made many bad mistakes lately..

Irger New. was ABC ran it to near Broke. why disney Bought them. Dont know if he can do it. but will we give him a chance?

Roy. old school be nice to see a disney in the company, but the world has changed, he cant run it now. It is not the same company..
does roy have someone in mind?

Jobes.. apple , pixar. yes has the new globle insite. Might be good. but could he run a company like disney some say he is worst than Eisner.

while we are at it

GW Bush.... B Gates.... B Clinton... S Case(aol).... Sergey Brin(google)... The list goes on and on there was 100. some as you see very far featched.

so should we give Iger a chance? , but get rid of the board?

We can vote a proxy at the next meeting...

Woody13 · May 9, 2005

CTXRover said:
Suits like this have the possibility of destablizing a rebounding company.

...and driving down the stock price to allow for another takeover attempt.

PhotoDave219 · May 9, 2005

speck76 said:
He is a large individual stockholder, but nothing compared to the funds and banks.

My point was (besides his stockholdings) for the mark (or lack of) that he himself has left on the company.......why do people care what he has to say?

I understand what youre sayin, Speck. I think he is listened to because he of his last name. However, in this case i believe the whole Roy & Stan campaign is going about things the wrong way. Iger seems to be going about things in a positive manner, making positive changes - dismanteling the corporate planning board, restructuring WDW middle management, making peace overtures to Lucas and Pixar.... seems like the ship has been righted and is floating once more.

If anything, i see this as a move to keep Eisner from becomming Chairman of the Board. But its not a positive move.

askmike1 · May 9, 2005

I wouldn't say he single handedly saved the company. You can't forget about Mr. Wells, but yeah ME helped a lot.

I didn't say that he did. Wells and Katz as a team with Eisner brang the company back.

But since he is, you have to lend him an ear.

Why, because he is a Disney. His last name is Disney. He is not Walt and doesn't know how Walt would think.

Also, I don't know if this has been asked, but what does any of this have to do with WDW News & Rumors?

-Michael

General Grizz · May 9, 2005

speck76 said:
It is funny how that works.....people are so quick to attack Eisner, and when Iger was announced, worse things were said about him, without even giving him a chance.

One rude comment about "darling Roy" and I am the anti-christ.

People attacked Eisner based on his recent actions at the Walt Disney Company. Iger had a position at Disney but had no true record of success, leaving those against the poor search for a CEO upset and ready to say "worse things about him." Usually CEOs who have a good track record should be brought in to "save" a company. Roy and Stan did well as Eisner and Wells had great records in 1984. Iger does not have a noticable one. That's sad.

And no, Speck, no one thinks you're the anti-Christ.

disneyplanet · May 9, 2005

Woody13 said:
...and driving down the stock price to allow for another takeover attempt.

well today at the time it was anounced the stock was heavely traded and did drop but recovered and closed up. from a high of 27.20 at 9:30 am to a low of 26.93 volume 529,000 plus share at 11 am and after hours is also high. closed at 27.06

http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/summaryquote.asp?symbol=DIS`&selected=DIS`

no2apprentice · May 9, 2005

Thrawn said:
But who does anything that wouldn't benefit themselves?

Oh, Mother Teresa, saints, troops who have died in battle, firefighters, police...just to name a few.

But, I suspect you mean that more in a business sense.

General Grizz · May 9, 2005

no2apprentice said:
Oh, Mother Teresa, saints, troops who have died in battle, firefighters, police...just to name a few.

But, I suspect you mean that more in a business sense.

Would be nice to mix the two, huh?

askmike1 · May 9, 2005

CTXRover said:
it was really about a personal vidnetta against Eisner and basically utter hate for the board.

Exactly. How much do you want to bet that if the age limit rule wan't made, Roy would still be on the board now?

-Michael

Woody13 · May 9, 2005

no2apprentice said:
Oh, Mother Teresa, saints, troops who have died in battle, firefighters, police...just to name a few.

But, I suspect you mean that more in a business sense.

Great post, as usual!:wave:

speck76 · May 9, 2005

General Grizz said:
People attacked Eisner based on his recent actions at the Walt Disney Company. Iger had a position at Disney but had no true record of success, leaving those against the poor search for a CEO upset and ready to say "worse things about him." Usually CEOs who have a good track record should be brought in to "save" a company. Roy and Stan did well as Eisner and Wells had great records in 1984. Iger does not have a noticable one. That's sad.

And no, Speck, no one thinks you're the anti-Christ.

What exactly is Roy's track record?

mickhyperion · May 9, 2005

Thrawn said:
You went from bad, to worse, to way over the edge.

First, he just asked a question. From the wording, I'd guess he's younger, so give him a break.

disneyplanet said:
No problem if you read the whole thing I basical said it was not. I just posted a question like devil advacate...

Hey guys, my very first words were "No offense to you personally in any way..." BECAUSE I understood that disneyplanet was posing a question and playing devil's advocate. I was not speaking about you, disneyplanet. I was talking about many others on ALL of the boards, who were represented by that part of your question in which you were playing devil's advocate. I thought that your actual point was perfectly fine. That's why I tried to make it clear right from the start that this was not about you. Maybe I will have to repeat that about ten times before I begin in the future so that my meaning is clear.

General Grizz · May 9, 2005

speck76 said:
What exactly is Roy's track record?

First of all, the track record I'm speaking of is to qualify one for the position of Disney CEO... and I never said I wanted Roy to be CEO.

But in terms of some of Roy's achievements as a Disney board member... he and Gold selected Michael Eisner and Frank Wells to lead the Walt Disney Company in 1984. Without their work, Disney wouldn't be nearly as "great" today. . . who knows where it would be. (Although Mr. Eisner's successes have lagged in the recent ten years). His support to the animators as head of the Walt Disney Animation division throughout the late 80s and early 90s allowed for the prosperous animation revival to occur. When many of the ex-Florida animators I know refer to someone to thank for the revival, it's Roy. It was Roy who always continued to tell Eisner how important 2-D animation was, and thanks to his persistence, and Eisner's compliance, those great successes flourished.

speck76 · May 9, 2005

General Grizz said:
First of all, the track record I'm speaking of is to qualify one for the positionDisney CEO... and I never said I wanted Roy to be CEO.

But in terms of Roy's achievements, he selected Michael Eisner and Frank Wells to lead the Walt Disney Company in 1984. Without their work, Disney would be nearly as "great" today. (Although Mr. Eisner's successes have lagged in the recent ten years). His support to the animators as head of the Walt Disney Animation division throughout the late 80s and early 90s allowed for the prosperous animation revival to occur. When many of the ex-Florida animators I know refer to someone to thank for the revival, it's Roy. It was Roy who always continued to tell Eisner how important 2-D animation was, and thanks to his persistence, and Eisner's compliance, those great successes flourished.

Around what time did Roy being in WDFA, compared to when JK left the company?

Also, I know you do not want Roy to be CEO.....my question is this: "Why do people care what Roy has to say?"

Has he done anything substantial while employed at the WDC that earns him the respect he is given or is it due to the family name?

General Grizz · May 9, 2005

speck76 said:
Around what time did Roy being in WDFA, compared to when JK left the company?

Has he done anything substantial while employed at the WDC that earns him the respect he is given or is it due to the family name?

Roy became head of Feature Animation in 1984 after rejoining the Company (Jeffrey Katzenberg headed Film Division). Throughout the 80s, 90s, and 00s, he always supported the artists, sat through run-throughs of the films, made suggestions, and supported the artists when 2-D was threatened to shut down in the late 80s. (And luckily, it wasn't!)

speck76 · May 9, 2005

General Grizz said:
Roy became head of Feature Animation in 1984 after rejoining the Company (Jeffrey Katzenberg headed Film Division). Throughout the 80s, 90s, and 00s, he always supported the artists, sat through run-throughs of the films, made suggestions, and supported the artists when 2-D was threatened to shut down in the late 80s. (And luckily, it wasn't!)

Didn't WDFA begin to suffer once JK left......if my timeline is correct

If he left after Lion King, then the last film that he would have had influence over would have been Hercules or Mulan....correct?

angelfaerie52 · May 9, 2005

huh?

i just did an extensive research project on Roy and SaveDisney... where did he ever call for Jobs as CEO? i mean, that would be horrendous. i am beginning to have a vendetta against Jobs for other reasons, but he certainly wouldn't hold true to the Disney name.

ssidiouss@mac.c said:
This is great news.. the best scenario would be getting rid of that figure-head Iger and replacing him with a true visionary like Steve Jobs from Apple/Pixar who Roy wanted in the first place. Or maybe they should use that imagineer that I always see (the guy who made everest.. wierd guy with bear)

angelfaerie52 · May 9, 2005

He resigned... he could have fought the age limit, which was made to get rid of Roy and other older Disney heads... there was talking of "letting" him stay if it was going to be a big deal, but he quit instead.

askmike1 said:
Exactly. How much do you want to bet that if the age limit rule wan't made, Roy would still be on the board now?

-Michael

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