Rock and Roller Coaster Could Be Better

Mr.EPCOT

Active Member
Please tell me you're joking. IOA coasters have no theme or storyline?

Let's puts the Disney Kool Aid away. IOA's theming is on par with Disney in most respects.

Well, let's be honest here, the nature of the Islands of Adventure coasters theming and storyline is very different than Disneys. There is a good deal of theming in the queue areas, especially Dueling Dragons, but that pretty much ends once you board your train. The experience from then on isn't any different than what you might have at places like Cedar Point, Knott's Berry Farm, or any number of Six Flags. And as far as the storylines go, they are just there as an excuse, a justification for why that roller coaster is there, and once again, almost completely disappears once you actually board the coaster. You could ask any average Joe what the story of each ride is, and chances are that they would have no idea that they even have a story. While at Disney, it's the other way around, the coaster exists to serve the story and completely immerses you in it. IOA's coasters are awesome, arguably better than any coaster that Disney has ever built at any of its theme parks. I will agree that most of the theming at IOA is on par with a lot of Walt Disney World, but the coasters don't stack up as far as immersion goes.
 

Club Cooloholic

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Are you sure you've been on the Exterminator? Because I have and while it was alright, I wouldn't say it is BETTER than RNRC. Also, the idea is you are ON THE WAY to the concert. So the donuts and tacos are signs along the way. When you're going that fast, there isn't a lot of room for detail. I think this criticism is a bit much, honestly.

I can't agree, the cut outs look very cheap. The Exterminator is a very different animal and not the best example I could have used, but the themeing of the ride for that, even the line part is very immersive.

And yes Space Mountain does not move as fast, but the feel of everything from the lead up to the acual ride is better in my opinion. Maybe it's because I'm 6'3 and always feel like I might lose my head on Space Mount...
Would you disagree that Rock and Roller Coaster could be improved with better visuals within the ride?

PS- Let me add too that the ride is hyped as being a muscled up coaster, some guide books put it on par with the Hulk. The ride itself is not that intesnse, nor do the visuals make up for that to push it near the level of the Hulk, and I am not saying I prefer IOA, I don't I think the Disney Parks are better, but in terms of intense rides, there just aren't as many.
RNRC is neither intense(as all the "first coaster ever ridden" statements testify to, nor themed very well, so my feeling was "that was ok".
And that is my opinion, great to see there are so many supporters of the ride that like it the way it is.
 

mcjaco

Well-Known Member
Well, let's be honest here, the nature of the Islands of Adventure coasters theming and storyline is very different than Disneys. There is a good deal of theming in the queue areas, especially Dueling Dragons, but that pretty much ends once you board your train. The experience from then on isn't any different than what you might have at places like Cedar Point, Knott's Berry Farm, or any number of Six Flags. And as far as the storylines go, they are just there as an excuse, a justification for why that roller coaster is there, and once again, almost completely disappears once you actually board the coaster. You could ask any average Joe what the story of each ride is, and chances are that they would have no idea that they even have a story. While at Disney, it's the other way around, the coaster exists to serve the story and completely immerses you in it. IOA's coasters are awesome, arguably better than any coaster that Disney has ever built at any of its theme parks. I will agree that most of the theming at IOA is on par with a lot of Walt Disney World, but the coasters don't stack up as far as immersion goes.

Except that RnRC is an out of the box Vekoma, so it's just like any coaster that Cedar Fair, Six Flags, and Knott's could get there hands on. Just like Dueling Dragons. Is the theming over after the queue? Meh, yes and no.

My arguement was more that RnRC is a poorly themed out of the box coaster, with the exception of the queue. Just like Dueling Dragons. So it's on par with IOA. And there is a story to Dueling Dragons, but who has ever sat in the queue to listen to the whole thing?
 

DisneyMusician2

Well-Known Member
Except that RnRC is an out of the box Vekoma, so it's just like any coaster that Cedar Fair, Six Flags, and Knott's could get there hands on. Just like Dueling Dragons. Is the theming over after the queue? Meh, yes and no.

My arguement was more that RnRC is a poorly themed out of the box coaster, with the exception of the queue. Just like Dueling Dragons. So it's on par with IOA. And there is a story to Dueling Dragons, but who has ever sat in the queue to listen to the whole thing?

So, the theming in Dueling Dragons is so uninspiring that you wouldn't stay to listen to it? Er...

I just think that from a thrill perspective RnRc doesn't stack up, but the on-ride experiences are completely different. I disagree about the "poor" theming. Is it the immersive environment of Splash Mountain? No, probably not. But you have to give it the nod over Dueling Dragons.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I can't agree, the cut outs look very cheap. The Exterminator is a very different animal and not the best example I could have used, but the themeing of the ride for that, even the line part is very immersive.

And yes Space Mountain does not move as fast, but the feel of everything from the lead up to the acual ride is better in my opinion. Maybe it's because I'm 6'3 and always feel like I might lose my head on Space Mount...
Would you disagree that Rock and Roller Coaster could be improved with better visuals within the ride?

........and music by Bill Haley, Chubby Checker, Joe Turner, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino and Little Richard. Maybe even some Elvis too. That would really make the whole experience even better. Of course they would have to redo the pre-show too but it would be awesome!
 
Rock n' Rollercoaster would improve about 500% in my book if they'd get rid of Aerosmith. That preshow is like watching cardboard try to act, and the music...well, let's just say they've always sounded like screeching cats to me.

The thing about Aersomith though is that it is a band that a lot of people are familiar with. Everyone knows who Steven Tyler is and it's one of the few bands from the 70's with all of it's original members and plus the music fits very well with the ride. I think Aerosmith was a good band to use IMO, but of course it's going to change sometime and I just hope that it wont be something along the lines of Rock 'N' Roller Coaster Starring Miley Cyrus, or The Jonas Brothers. I will not ride it then (Sorry if that offends anyone but I have nightmares about it):hurl:

Someone asked earlier if there was a 10 year contract... I would like to know that too. That means its almost up and I would be curious what they would do with it.
 

DivineMadness7

New Member
And yes Space Mountain does not move as fast, but the feel of everything from the lead up to the acual ride is better in my opinion. Maybe it's because I'm 6'3 and always feel like I might lose my head on Space Mount...
Would you disagree that Rock and Roller Coaster could be improved with better visuals within the ride?

PS- Let me add too that the ride is hyped as being a muscled up coaster, some guide books put it on par with the Hulk. The ride itself is not that intesnse, nor do the visuals make up for that to push it near the level of the Hulk, and I am not saying I prefer IOA, I don't I think the Disney Parks are better, but in terms of intense rides, there just aren't as many.
RNRC is neither intense(as all the "first coaster ever ridden" statements testify to, nor themed very well, so my feeling was "that was ok".
And that is my opinion, great to see there are so many supporters of the ride that like it the way it is.

Well, I'm only 5'2 so our coaster experiences may be different in that respect :lol: Over the past 2 years, when I've been on Space Mountain I came off thinking "Why did I do that to myself?" I'm only 25 but my neck hurts, my back hurts and I was jerked around the entire time. RNRC does not make me feel that way.

In terms of visuals....I'll re-state this. I'm not sure what other visuals you can have that relate to the theme, when you're moving that fast, that will be an improvement? Also keep in mind that taste is relative. A lot of others have stated in this thread that they feel the themeing is accurate and acceptable.

Like anyone else, I have my complaints about certain attractions. However, I think it is important to recognize that I know I could not do better in designing them. Everyone wants to say "Oh, they could've done better" and often this is not followed up by any concrete suggestions. Again, it's all relative and subjective, not to mention COULD you really have done better? And if you did, there's no guarantee everyone would enjoy it.

Like any design job, these people also have superiors telling them what to do. They can make an awesome design, show it to the boss and the boss tells them "No, we want it to be this (theme.)" I hear this all the time from my friend who is a graphic designer, that she can have an amazing concept and design, only to be told "No, we want red letters with a picture of a dog." She has some creative freedom but is limited by what they tell her she must have. "You must use neon tacos and donuts."

I guess my other point is....there are bigger fish to fry. There is some good pre-show theming and overall, the ride succeeds at the main goal (at least in my mind)...it's a good coaster. I don't want extremely detailed themeing when I'm flying past it at what, 60 mph? They want you to focus on the coaster and the background stuff is just gravy. It gives a complete environment without being overpowering. It just seems to me like it's like complaining about the color of the living room walls of a beach house. Who cares, you're at the beach, ENJOY IT. I hope that made sense :lol:
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
........and music by Bill Haley, Chubby Checker, Joe Turner, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino and Little Richard. Maybe even some Elvis too. That would really make the whole experience even better. Of course they would have to redo the pre-show too but it would be awesome!

They could theme it to a mortuary
 

CubsRock

New Member
I guess my other point is....there are bigger fish to fry. There is some good pre-show theming and overall, the ride succeeds at the main goal (at least in my mind)...it's a good coaster. I don't want extremely detailed themeing when I'm flying past it at what, 60 mph? They want you to focus on the coaster and the background stuff is just gravy. It gives a complete environment without being overpowering. It just seems to me like it's like complaining about the color of the living room walls of a beach house. Who cares, you're at the beach, ENJOY IT. I hope that made sense :lol:
I agree, I think most people (including me) don't go on R'n'RC to see the on-ride theming. your going too fast to see the detail anyway. The reason why I ride it is because its an awesome roller coaster, in fact before R'n'RC i would even think about going on roller coasters with loops and inversions. Now I'll go on any roller coaster where family members or friends have breifly blacked out on ( Batman at SF Great America), but that is another story. As to someone's comment on Six Flags' themed roller coasters being better than disney's, your wrong, have you ever ridden the dark knight coaster at Six Flags Great America, its horrible!
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
They could theme it to a mortuary

Have you seen aerosmith lately? *runs away*


Why not theme the ride to a "hall of fame" tribute? The music would be perfect for the ride and even though some don't know the current band, everyone knows those classic songs from the birth of rock. Yes Pumbas, there was rock before the "Beatles" and "Aerosmith".
 

Club Cooloholic

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
In terms of visuals....I'll re-state this. I'm not sure what other visuals you can have that relate to the theme, when you're moving that fast, that will be an improvement? Also keep in mind that taste is relative. A lot of others have stated in this thread that they feel the themeing is accurate and acceptable.

Like anyone else, I have my complaints about certain attractions. However, I think it is important to recognize that I know I could not do better in designing them. Everyone wants to say "Oh, they could've done better" and often this is not followed up by any concrete suggestions. Again, it's all relative and subjective, not to mention COULD you really have done better? And if you did, there's no guarantee everyone would enjoy it.

As I said before, for me, and I am saying me personally not all, it just didn't live up to the hype, and I don't find it to be that thrilling of a coaster.

For those that ask, how do you get better themeing....ok Big Thunder Mountain, has tons of theming, I found it to be a fave.
If you have ever been to Busch Garden's Williamsburg, The Big Bad Wolf, and old ride for sure, has Great Themeing even though your flying around at very high speeds....
 

earldw28

Member
RNRC was my favorite ride for a long time but when I was there a few weeks ago and rode it it just wasn't the same. Ofcourse, the first time I rode it the launch was delayed and then there was no music the entire ride which was really wierd. The second time everything was fine but it still wasnt as good as I remember it being. Test Track is currently my favorite. I still love the theming and the queue and the preshow of RNRC. Oh well, I will still ride it especially as long as there is a single rider line.
 

mcjaco

Well-Known Member
I As to someone's comment on Six Flags' themed roller coasters being better than disney's, your wrong, have you ever ridden the dark knight coaster at Six Flags Great America, its horrible!

It's not horrible. It's marketed completely wrong. You can't market it as a highly themed thrill ride. Because, well.....it isn't. If it had been marketed as a family friendly, indoor themed coaster, with dips and turns, I don't think there would have been as much complaining.
 

ThinkTink721

Well-Known Member
I finally got enough courage to ride it this year...I thought it was great!
Although, I only saw about half of the scenery because my eyes would not open for the first half of the ride. :eek: I normally don't do upside down rides, but I just wanted to try this one & I loved it! Of course, I got lucky enough to sit in the front for my first ride. :wave:
 

disneytopdog

Active Member
BTRR great coaster, great theme. When you get to the flooded out town scene there is way to much to look at in the split second you pass thru there. I have ridden it MANY times over MANY years and never noticed the guy in the bathtub spinning around until this year. The landmark stuff in RnR is perfect. Kinda of the "less is more" thing
 

CThaddeus

New Member
BTRR great coaster, great theme. When you get to the flooded out town scene there is way to much to look at in the split second you pass thru there. I have ridden it MANY times over MANY years and never noticed the guy in the bathtub spinning around until this year. The landmark stuff in RnR is perfect. Kinda of the "less is more" thing

Less Aerosmith would mean a whole lot more to me! :lookaroun
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom