DHS RnRc Retheme?

[Incomudro]

I wrote about this in another thread, but considering the discussion here...

RnRC was built during a "budget cutting" era, and it shows. Everything works great until you enter the "alley," at which point you move from something that feels real to an obvious "this is a roller coaster train pretending to be a car" without much room for suspension of disbelief - which might work fine at an amusement park, but less so in a theme park.* And then, of course, the gravity building's theming is nothing but cartoon-style, two-dimensional "cutouts" - something that you would expect to see at an amusement park, not a Disney theme park.

I'm usually opposed to re-themes, but in this case, it could make this a much more compelling experience. My only concern is their doing something that messes up the aesthetics of the area in front of ToT (the current RnRC mercifully doesn't call attention to itself from ToT, instead being set back and having an appropriately-styled entrance archway).

*There are exceptions to the need for more "believability" when it's a fantasy-style attraction (e.g., classic Fantasyland rides and Space Mountain), but RNR "takes itself seriously" in the setup and then fails to deliver on that.

I think the alley is great.

 

[Purduevian]

I think the alley is great.

I can't remember where I heard this, but the alley is specifically designed for guests to see multiple launches before boarding their train. That way a guest knows what to expect before the point of no return.

 

[Incomudro]

I can't remember where I heard this, but the alley is specifically designed for guests to see multiple launches before boarding their train. That way a guest knows what to expect before the point of no return.

I fondly remember the first time I rode this ride with my wife and twin sons.
My sons were perhaps 9 at the time.
The intimidation, the "Are we up for this?" was a huge part of the fun.

 

[SailorMercury]

I wrote about this in another thread, but considering the discussion here...

RnRC was built during a "budget cutting" era, and it shows. Everything works great until you enter the "alley," at which point you move from something that feels real to an obvious "this is a roller coaster train pretending to be a car" without much room for suspension of disbelief - which might work fine at an amusement park, but less so in a theme park.* And then, of course, the gravity building's theming is nothing but cartoon-style, two-dimensional "cutouts" - something that you would expect to see at an amusement park, not a Disney theme park.

I'm usually opposed to re-themes, but in this case, it could make this a much more compelling experience. My only concern is their doing something that messes up the aesthetics of the area in front of ToT (the current RnRC mercifully doesn't call attention to itself from ToT, instead being set back and having an appropriately-styled entrance archway).

*There are exceptions to the need for more "believability" when it's a fantasy-style attraction (e.g., classic Fantasyland rides and Space Mountain), but RNR "takes itself seriously" in the setup and then fails to deliver on that.

I love the alley personally. Its my favorite portion of the attraction. It's going to be what I miss most if the retheme removes the music theming. Such a very specific vibe that gets me hyped!

 

[Bocabear]

The Alley portion is clever...moving onto the parking garage... It was a really well thought out attraction...I just wish the sets in the gravity building were not painted flats...

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

I think the alley is great.

I can't remember where I heard this, but the alley is specifically designed for guests to see multiple launches before boarding their train. That way a guest knows what to expect before the point of no return.

@SailorMercury said:

I love the alley personally. Its my favorite portion of the attraction. It's going to be what I miss most if the retheme removes the music theming. Such a very specific vibe that gets me hyped!

The Alley portion is clever...moving onto the parking garage... It was a really well thought out attraction...I just wish the sets in the gravity building were not painted flats...

The alley itself is really cool, and it's great to be able to see the launch. The issue I'm describing is that, unlike other non-fantasy-style roller Disney coasters (Everest, Big Thunder, Matterhorn, Big Grizzly, Sliding Sleighs...), you're being asked to just pretend that the track isn't there at all and that the roller coaster train is an entirely different vehicle (a car). So, unlike those other immersive roller coasters, you're not believably immersed in a world, you're just riding a roller coaster like at an amusement park. I understand that some of you might not mind this, but to me and many others, the "peak" Disney experience is believable immersion (again, outside intentionally fantasy-style attractions), and this lacks that component.

I agree that the sets in the gravity building are the worst offender, of course.

 

[Incomudro]

The alley itself is really cool, and it's great to be able to see the launch. The issue I'm describing is that, unlike other non-fantasy-style roller Disney coasters (Everest, Big Thunder, Matterhorn, Big Grizzly, Sliding Sleighs...), you're being asked to just pretend that the track isn't there at all and that the roller coaster train is an entirely different vehicle (a car). So, unlike those other immersive roller coasters, you're not believably immersed in a world, you're just riding a roller coaster like at an amusement park. I understand that some of you might not mind this, but to me and many others, the "peak" Disney experience is believable immersion (again, outside intentionally fantasy-style attractions), and this lacks that component.

I agree that the sets in the gravity building are the worst offender, of course.

I get what you're saying, but it's as easy for me to see if you will those coaster cars as limo's as it was to see the 20k subs as subs despite the visible tracks, and the fact that the subs didn't submerge.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

I get what you're saying, but it's as easy for me to see if you will those coaster cars as limo's as it was to see the 20k subs as subs despite the visible tracks, and the fact that the subs didn't submerge.

I actually thought the illusion that they submerged inside the caves was successful, and I don't remember noticing tracks. But my reference is DL's subs, so maybe WDW's had flaws that DL's don't.

 

[Eric Graham]

I'm hoping they make it a part of Cars Land. It already looks like a fricking limo.

I would really enjoy having a Cars Land at Disney World!

 

[J4546]

for gits and shiggles i used ms paint to rough up how cars land could fit in DHS taking over muppets. not bad....

 

[Eric Graham]

for gits and shiggles i used ms paint to rough up how cars land could fit in DHS taking over muppets. not bad....

I really enjoy the Muppet a whole lot. However, whenever I'm at HS I half joke with my wife and say to her: When are They Going To Pave Over The Muppets and put another Star Wars attraction there....

 

[Bocabear]

Well....TBH Muppets Land is really just one attraction, a fountain and really terrible pizza quick-serve... Now if the Muppets moved to the other side of the park with a brand new Muppet Vision, a couple more attractions, a better restaurant and quick serve, then it would be a more worthwhile representation of the Muppets....and then the area would be free for redevelopment....

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

People would lover this ride even if it was Rock N RollerCoaster featuring The Captain and Tennille..

Only if it includes “Muskrat Love” in the soundtrack.

 

[Eric Graham]

Well....TBH Muppets Land is really just one attraction, a fountain and really terrible pizza quick-serve... Now if the Muppets moved to the other side of the park with a brand new Muppet Vision, a couple more attractions, a better restaurant and quick serve, then it would be a more worthwhile representation of the Muppets....and then the area would be free for redevelopment....

I was hoping for another Muppets movie, but there are no plans whatsoever on doing so in the immediate future. I was hoping for another Jason Segal movie, actually. I was the lone person that asked the wonderful Disney cast member when she was getting ready to perform the opening of Runaway Railway about when the Muppets store would reopen again. She answered the question so nicely and so politely when she said it wasn't very popular and it was open a time ago. I've wanted to install a Kermit animatronic singing Rainbow Connection near me where I walk from the first Muppets movie, but would be outvoted by the people in my city. Oh well. We can all dream.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I was hoping for another Muppets movie, but there are no plans whatsoever on doing so in the immediate future. I was hoping for another Jason Segal movie, actually. I was the lone person that asked the wonderful Disney cast member when she was getting ready to perform the opening of Runaway Railway about when the Muppets store would reopen again. She answered the question so nicely and so politely when she said it wasn't very popular and it was open a time ago. I've wanted to install a Kermit animatronic singing Rainbow Connection near me where I walk from the first Muppets movie, but would be outvoted by the people in my city. Oh well. We can all dream.

I for one wouldn’t mind more Muppets.

 

[Eric Graham]

I for one wouldn’t mind more Muppets.

Actually, there is a museum in Georgia dedicated to the Muppets, where they have a number of the Muppets there where Jim Henson himself collaborated with the owner. The Center For Puppetry Arts. It's so amazing! They even have the Sesame Street Muppets, brings back my childhood. And the lesser Muppets like Emmett Otters Junk Band Christmas, which can be found on Amazon. And, Muppets from the Labrinth, with the late great David Bowie. I took my nephew there years ago and we saw Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer together there. It was so good. I thought the voices were on a recording, but they did all of the voices. so Wonderful.

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[dreamfinding]

Have there been any rumblings about RnRc lately?

 

[Surferboy567]

Mickey Views has recently updated a new video and has said the following. Please keep in mind that Brayden is a dubious source and has a spotty record to say the least. The reason why I am posting is that he has proven to have gotten things right in the past with that disclaimer out of the way here goes:

When Rock N Roll opens the gift shop will be totally stripped of anything Aerosmith related as the merch contract has allegedly ran out with the band. This includes posters on the walls. He also alleges that the attraction itself is a handful of years from lasping its rights deal with Aerosmith. He has heard two IP’s he considers to be front runners for replacement but didn’t share them in the video. A replacement though he has said is definitely on the way.

 

[dreamfinding]

Mickey Views has recently updated a new video and has said the following. Please keep in mind that Brayden is a dubious source and has a spotty record to say the least. The reason why I am posting is that he has proven to have gotten things right in the past with that disclaimer out of the way here goes:

When Rock N Roll opens the gift shop will be totally stripped of anything Aerosmith related as the merch contract has allegedly ran out with the band. This includes posters on the walls. He also allegeds that the attraction itself is a handful of years from lasping its rights deal with Aerosmith. He has hurt two IP’s he considers to be front runners for replacement but didn’t share them in the video. A replacement though he has said is definitely on the way.

All of this being said: why the extensive refurbs? Actual ride issues or something more cosmetic?

 

[Surferboy567]

All of this being said: why the extensive refurbs? Actual ride issues or something more cosmetic?

I’ve heard from more reliable sources on here it comes down to the brakes having issues. Nothing cosmetic to my knowledge.