RnRc Retheme?

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I COMPLETELY disagree... People are primarily attracted to it because it is a roller coaster.... While people like the music, and I like the music, I don't think that people go on it only because it is Aerosmith... The music and band are really only a small part of the overall attraction....and let's face it, People would lover this ride even if it was Rock N RollerCoaster featuring The Captain and Tennille.. The Band representation is not important... A coaster in a park with no rollercoasters (at the time it was built) will always be extremely popular... It's a great ride...
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Respectfully, I don't think you really understood what I wrote originally.
 

Marc Davis Fan

Well-Known Member
I wrote about this in another thread, but considering the discussion here...

RnRC was built during a "budget cutting" era, and it shows. Everything works great until you enter the "alley," at which point you move from something that feels real to an obvious "this is a roller coaster train pretending to be a car" without much room for suspension of disbelief - which might work fine at an amusement park, but less so in a theme park.* And then, of course, the gravity building's theming is nothing but cartoon-style, two-dimensional "cutouts" - something that you would expect to see at an amusement park, not a Disney theme park.

I'm usually opposed to re-themes, but in this case, it could make this a much more compelling experience. My only concern is their doing something that messes up the aesthetics of the area in front of ToT (the current RnRC mercifully doesn't call attention to itself from ToT, instead being set back and having an appropriately-styled entrance archway).

*There are exceptions to the need for more "believability" when it's a fantasy-style attraction (e.g., classic Fantasyland rides and Space Mountain), but RNR "takes itself seriously" in the setup and then fails to deliver on that.
 

Starship824

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In the Parks
No
Ok, I have an incredible idea, we retheme it toooooo...... drumroll please ................................
Rock'n'Roller coaster starring SONNY ECLIPSE there we go, just solved all of Disney's problems lol.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
I wrote about this in another thread, but considering the discussion here...

RnRC was built during a "budget cutting" era, and it shows. Everything works great until you enter the "alley," at which point you move from something that feels real to an obvious "this is a roller coaster train pretending to be a car" without much room for suspension of disbelief - which might work fine at an amusement park, but less so in a theme park.* And then, of course, the gravity building's theming is nothing but cartoon-style, two-dimensional "cutouts" - something that you would expect to see at an amusement park, not a Disney theme park.

I'm usually opposed to re-themes, but in this case, it could make this a much more compelling experience. My only concern is their doing something that messes up the aesthetics of the area in front of ToT (the current RnRC mercifully doesn't call attention to itself from ToT, instead being set back and having an appropriately-styled entrance archway).

*There are exceptions to the need for more "believability" when it's a fantasy-style attraction (e.g., classic Fantasyland rides and Space Mountain), but RNR "takes itself seriously" in the setup and then fails to deliver on that.
I think the alley is great.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
I can't remember where I heard this, but the alley is specifically designed for guests to see multiple launches before boarding their train. That way a guest knows what to expect before the point of no return.
I fondly remember the first time I rode this ride with my wife and twin sons.
My sons were perhaps 9 at the time.
The intimidation, the "Are we up for this?" was a huge part of the fun.
 

SailorMercury

Well-Known Member
I wrote about this in another thread, but considering the discussion here...

RnRC was built during a "budget cutting" era, and it shows. Everything works great until you enter the "alley," at which point you move from something that feels real to an obvious "this is a roller coaster train pretending to be a car" without much room for suspension of disbelief - which might work fine at an amusement park, but less so in a theme park.* And then, of course, the gravity building's theming is nothing but cartoon-style, two-dimensional "cutouts" - something that you would expect to see at an amusement park, not a Disney theme park.

I'm usually opposed to re-themes, but in this case, it could make this a much more compelling experience. My only concern is their doing something that messes up the aesthetics of the area in front of ToT (the current RnRC mercifully doesn't call attention to itself from ToT, instead being set back and having an appropriately-styled entrance archway).

*There are exceptions to the need for more "believability" when it's a fantasy-style attraction (e.g., classic Fantasyland rides and Space Mountain), but RNR "takes itself seriously" in the setup and then fails to deliver on that.
I love the alley personally. Its my favorite portion of the attraction. It's going to be what I miss most if the retheme removes the music theming. Such a very specific vibe that gets me hyped!
 

Marc Davis Fan

Well-Known Member
I think the alley is great.
I can't remember where I heard this, but the alley is specifically designed for guests to see multiple launches before boarding their train. That way a guest knows what to expect before the point of no return.
@SailorMercury said:

I love the alley personally. Its my favorite portion of the attraction. It's going to be what I miss most if the retheme removes the music theming. Such a very specific vibe that gets me hyped!
The Alley portion is clever...moving onto the parking garage... It was a really well thought out attraction...I just wish the sets in the gravity building were not painted flats...

The alley itself is really cool, and it's great to be able to see the launch. The issue I'm describing is that, unlike other non-fantasy-style roller Disney coasters (Everest, Big Thunder, Matterhorn, Big Grizzly, Sliding Sleighs...), you're being asked to just pretend that the track isn't there at all and that the roller coaster train is an entirely different vehicle (a car). So, unlike those other immersive roller coasters, you're not believably immersed in a world, you're just riding a roller coaster like at an amusement park. I understand that some of you might not mind this, but to me and many others, the "peak" Disney experience is believable immersion (again, outside intentionally fantasy-style attractions), and this lacks that component.

I agree that the sets in the gravity building are the worst offender, of course.
 
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Incomudro

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The alley itself is really cool, and it's great to be able to see the launch. The issue I'm describing is that, unlike other non-fantasy-style roller Disney coasters (Everest, Big Thunder, Matterhorn, Big Grizzly, Sliding Sleighs...), you're being asked to just pretend that the track isn't there at all and that the roller coaster train is an entirely different vehicle (a car). So, unlike those other immersive roller coasters, you're not believably immersed in a world, you're just riding a roller coaster like at an amusement park. I understand that some of you might not mind this, but to me and many others, the "peak" Disney experience is believable immersion (again, outside intentionally fantasy-style attractions), and this lacks that component.

I agree that the sets in the gravity building are the worst offender, of course.
I get what you're saying, but it's as easy for me to see if you will those coaster cars as limo's as it was to see the 20k subs as subs despite the visible tracks, and the fact that the subs didn't submerge.
 

Marc Davis Fan

Well-Known Member
I get what you're saying, but it's as easy for me to see if you will those coaster cars as limo's as it was to see the 20k subs as subs despite the visible tracks, and the fact that the subs didn't submerge.

I actually thought the illusion that they submerged inside the caves was successful, and I don't remember noticing tracks. But my reference is DL's subs, so maybe WDW's had flaws that DL's don't.
 

J4546

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for gits and shiggles i used ms paint to rough up how cars land could fit in DHS taking over muppets. not bad....
 

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Eric Graham

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for gits and shiggles i used ms paint to rough up how cars land could fit in DHS taking over muppets. not bad....
I really enjoy the Muppet a whole lot. However, whenever I'm at HS I half joke with my wife and say to her: When are They Going To Pave Over The Muppets and put another Star Wars attraction there....
 

Bocabear

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Well....TBH Muppets Land is really just one attraction, a fountain and really terrible pizza quick-serve... Now if the Muppets moved to the other side of the park with a brand new Muppet Vision, a couple more attractions, a better restaurant and quick serve, then it would be a more worthwhile representation of the Muppets....and then the area would be free for redevelopment....
 

Eric Graham

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Well....TBH Muppets Land is really just one attraction, a fountain and really terrible pizza quick-serve... Now if the Muppets moved to the other side of the park with a brand new Muppet Vision, a couple more attractions, a better restaurant and quick serve, then it would be a more worthwhile representation of the Muppets....and then the area would be free for redevelopment....
I was hoping for another Muppets movie, but there are no plans whatsoever on doing so in the immediate future. I was hoping for another Jason Segal movie, actually. I was the lone person that asked the wonderful Disney cast member when she was getting ready to perform the opening of Runaway Railway about when the Muppets store would reopen again. She answered the question so nicely and so politely when she said it wasn't very popular and it was open a time ago. I've wanted to install a Kermit animatronic singing Rainbow Connection near me where I walk from the first Muppets movie, but would be outvoted by the people in my city. Oh well. We can all dream. :p
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Bring Me A Shrubbery - For my El Camino
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I was hoping for another Muppets movie, but there are no plans whatsoever on doing so in the immediate future. I was hoping for another Jason Segal movie, actually. I was the lone person that asked the wonderful Disney cast member when she was getting ready to perform the opening of Runaway Railway about when the Muppets store would reopen again. She answered the question so nicely and so politely when she said it wasn't very popular and it was open a time ago. I've wanted to install a Kermit animatronic singing Rainbow Connection near me where I walk from the first Muppets movie, but would be outvoted by the people in my city. Oh well. We can all dream. :p

I for one wouldn’t mind more Muppets.

 

Eric Graham

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I for one wouldn’t mind more Muppets.


Actually, there is a museum in Georgia dedicated to the Muppets, where they have a number of the Muppets there where Jim Henson himself collaborated with the owner. The Center For Puppetry Arts. It's so amazing! They even have the Sesame Street Muppets, brings back my childhood. And the lesser Muppets like Emmett Otters Junk Band Christmas, which can be found on Amazon. And, Muppets from the Labrinth, with the late great David Bowie. I took my nephew there years ago and we saw Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer together there. It was so good. I thought the voices were on a recording, but they did all of the voices. so Wonderful.


The story of the museum:

 

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