RnRc Retheme?

[Bocabear]

This goes back to the argument that only popular IP can make a good attraction...which I don't agree with... I think the park presence can keep a franchise relevant...An expanded Muppet Studios (if done well) would be a huge hit and a great addition to the studios lineup...And it is perfect because Hollywood Studios is where this franchise fits perfectly...If they thought it through, the right side of the park Sunset Blvd, Could be Animation And Muppets... Create a proper Pixar presence that is not just Toy Story on that end, Toontown and Disney Animation Studios at the center, and Muppet Studios on the RnRC end...then the left side of Hollywood Studios could be Live Action films...Indiana Jones, The Rocketeer, Condorman (kidding)leading up to Star Wars.. It would make the park layout work in an understandable way...

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I thought Muppets was moved to WDI?

It was. Technically WDI sits under DPEP. So it's still "part of" the parks divison.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It was. Technically WDI sits under DPEP. So it's still "part of" the parks divison.

So, if Park Ops and WDI were looking for an Aerosmith replacement, and they searched all the IP they hold...

 

[MagicHappens1971]

So, if Park Ops and WDI were looking for an Aerosmith replacement, and they searched all the IP they hold...

Yeah...to be more specific The Muppets belong to Disney Live Entertainment (an arm of WDI), which is an interesting choice. Especially since The Muppets are not really utilized in the parks. I'm not really a Muppets fan but I feel Muppet-Vision is stale, and "Grand Avenue" can use some life. Turning the Writers Shop into a "trendy pub" wasn't enough, while I do enjoy their pretzel.

 

[No Name]

This goes back to the argument that only popular IP can make a good attraction...which I don't agree with... I think the park presence can keep a franchise relevant...An expanded Muppet Studios (if done well) would be a huge hit and a great addition to the studios lineup...And it is perfect because Hollywood Studios is where this franchise fits perfectly...If they thought it through, the right side of the park Sunset Blvd, Could be Animation And Muppets... Create a proper Pixar presence that is not just Toy Story on that end, Toontown and Disney Animation Studios at the center, and Muppet Studios on the RnRC end...then the left side of Hollywood Studios could be Live Action films...Indiana Jones, The Rocketeer, Condorman (kidding)leading up to Star Wars.. It would make the park layout work in an understandable way...

But why go to such great lengths to make a franchise relevant, especially when they’ve unsuccessfully tried to do that on the studio side over the past ten years or so? What leads you to believe it would be a huge hit?

 

[uncle jimmy]

Wouldn't moving Muppets 3D to Cars theater and into RNRC allow the park to expand into the parking lot area easier?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Wouldn't moving Muppets 3D to Cars theater and into RNRC allow the park to expand into the parking lot area easier?

This is never happening.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The Muppets belong to Disney Live Entertainment (an arm of WDI), which is an interesting choice. Especially since The Muppets are not really utilized in the parks.

Well, it made sense when there was a live Muppets show in Liberty Square.

 

[Kirby86]

I would love more Muppets in the parks and an Electric Mayhem retheme of Rockin Rollar Coaster would be fun. The new show was pretty good IMO.

 

[Bocabear]

But why go to such great lengths to make a franchise relevant, especially when they’ve unsuccessfully tried to do that on the studio side over the past ten years or so? What leads you to believe it would be a huge hit?

IP is just a way of telling stories and entertaining people...The Muppet attraction was a big hit when it first opened...but decades of the same show with no updates have allowed it to get stale... They could do more with the IP...and people still like them... While looking for things to refresh the parks, it would make sense to use the IP already in the fabric pf the park... Marvel is not going to happen... They own an awful lot of other IP... So why not use what they currently own and is currently in the park for the expansion areas in a fresh new way?
As has been pointed out time and again, Disney's most popular attractions were not based on popular IP...they were amazing attractions...

 

[No Name]

IP is just a way of telling stories and entertaining people...The Muppet attraction was a big hit when it first opened...but decades of the same show with no updates have allowed it to get stale... They could do more with the IP...and people still like them... While looking for things to refresh the parks, it would make sense to use the IP already in the fabric pf the park... Marvel is not going to happen... They own an awful lot of other IP... So why not use what they currently own and is currently in the park for the expansion areas in a fresh new way?
As has been pointed out time and again, Disney's most popular attractions were not based on popular IP...they were amazing attractions...

Yes, Disney’s most popular attractions were not based on popular IP, and they also weren’t built around an agenda to revitalize IP that’s not nearly as popular as it once was. At that point, why not just create an original attraction? Heck I’d even prefer they utilize the talent of one Olivia Rodrigo.

Four of the last five Muppets shows have not gotten a season 2, and the creators of the latest one said they want to start a cinematic universe similar to the MCU. To them I say, dream big! But don’t ruin some rides while you’re at it.

 

[Bocabear]

Who wants to ride Olivia Rodrigo-go Coaster? There comes a time when Disney has to decide if they are an amazing theme park or just a marketing machine... All of the most popular attractions Disney has ever built have been attached to either long dead IP or no IP at all.
Splash, Mr. Toad, 20000 Leagues Under The Sea...all were long dead IP, the others all had no IP and were complete hits... Space Mountain, People Mover, Small World, Haunted Mansion, Big Thunder Mountain, Pirates, Jungle Cruise, Hall Of Presidents, Tower Of Terror, Rock N Roller Coaster and all the original EPCOT Lineup had no currently popular IP... the attractions created the popularity.
Yes! I believe they should use IP from their gigantic catalog before purchasing any more, but to not develop engaging attractions and put IP usage over designing an entertaining Theme Park because of an IP mandate seems both counter-productive and ridiculous...

 

[MagicHappens1971]

the others all had no IP and were complete hits... , Tower Of Terror, Rock N Roller Coaster

The Twilight Zone: Tower of Terror, Rock N Rollercoaster feat Aerosmith ?

 

[SpectreJordan]

Say this happens and WDI wants to revitalize the whole area. The only thing that gives me pause is the "What if" the IP also bleeds over into Tower Hotel. I don't think I'd embrace such a drastic change. A RnRC retheme gets a pass. Tower though... Would that be going too far?

Disney not replacing both Towers with Guardians at the same time leads me to believe that the Tower isn't changing in Orlando. This doubled with Mission: Breakout being really popular with guests & Disney still having no plans to redo our Tower.

I love the idea of an Endor speeder coaster...but now that Hagrid's ride is open it would feel like too much of a copycat...plus we just opened Tron Lightcycle coaster... they missed the window... They also had something in the works for Pandora that was cut from the plans that was similar cycle coaster type ride.... I remember...

I don't think anyone would care if it's a rip-off if they were somehow able to outdo Hagrid. That's a tall order, but it's not impossible.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney not replacing both Towers with Guardians at the same time leads me to believe that the Tower isn't changing in Orlando. This doubled with Mission: Breakout being really popular with guests & Disney still having no plans to redo our Tower.

Part of the reason for DHS ToT remaining the same was that its mechanical systems are significantly different than the simpler DCA clone. This means they would have had to spend twice the money to do both -- it wasn't going to be a two-for-one situation.

Also, the DCA ToT retheme was to anchor the future MCU Land. In DHS, with the restrictions of what Marvel properties that could be used, Hollywood Blvd was not about to become an Avengers Campus.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

But why go to such great lengths to make a franchise relevant, especially when they’ve unsuccessfully tried to do that on the studio side over the past ten years or so? What leads you to believe it would be a huge hit?

I'm a fan of the Muppets, but I'm kind of at this point regarding the franchise. They keep trying to find new ways of using the characters, yet nothing has really worked. That said, Muppet integration into the parks has so far been relatively successful. The show they did in Liberty Square was one of the few new injections of IP of which virtually everybody (well, except one poster on here who must have an origin story involving loved ones being killed by Muppets) seemed to approve. Muppet Vision 4-D has also had a longer life than, I think, any 3-D film Disney has ever created for the parks.

Not sure why the work better in the parks than on TV (at least in my view), but it may just be that the sense of humour and even the use of puppetry just translates better into live entertainment sprinkled around a theme park than it does to a scripted television show people have to commit to sit and watch in their own homes.

 

[Kirby86]

The Twilight Zone: Tower of Terror, Rock N Rollercoaster feat Aerosmith ?

I think people forget Aerosmith was still pretty big in the late 90s early 2000s when the ride opened. Also The Twilight Zone is one of those IPs that is so ingrained in American Pop culture even if someone hasn't seen the series they know it through cultural osmosis. There's a reason Imagineering chose it for their Drop ride.

 

[No Name]

Who wants to ride Olivia Rodrigo-go Coaster?

I like that we’re brainstorming names. How about Rocket Rodrigos?

 

[SpectreJordan]

Part of the reason for DHS ToT remaining the same was that its mechanical systems are significantly different than the simpler DCA clone. This means they would have had to spend twice the money to do both -- it wasn't going to be a two-for-one situation.

Also, the DCA ToT retheme was to anchor the future MCU Land. In DHS, with the restrictions of what Marvel properties that could be used, Hollywood Blvd was not about to become an Avengers Campus.

I don't really know what other IP they could put onto our Tower then. I guess Dr Strange but if they didn't want to use Guardians for it, I doubt they'd do another Marvel IP.

Turning it into Muppets like we want for RnRC wouldn't really work for Tower. I actually think it'd be funny if the Muppets' theater & studio were located by a closed down, haunted hotel anyway. It'd fit in with the reoccurring joke about how broke they are.

I think the current Tower is here to stay. Maybe the Twilight Zone aspect leaves but the old haunted Hollywood hotel is safe.

 

[Bocabear]

Our Tower Of Terror is such a perfect and beautifully done piece of placemaking. Gorgeously designed, engaging backstory, fun thrills... I do not believe we have seen better work in the last decade....and you have to ask yourself...with the current leadership do you really think they could do better than what is there... different perhaps, but never better...I love that DHS has the central district of Old Hollywood... This should never change...as a matter of fact I think they should lean into it more. It was always a beautiful park, and Tower Of Terror was perfectly designed and placed...I am hoping this attraction has achieved it's legacy status like The Haunted Mansion. Add, maintain, but don't take away this iconic attraction.

Guardians could be somewhere else... where an entire "land" could be built to support the story for the attraction/s