Andrew C
You know what's funny?
it seems that it isn't as bad as expected...well...hopefully.
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Rivers of America concept art revealed
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it seems that it isn't as bad as expected...well...hopefully.
asianway
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More like a third from my understanding
Phroobar
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Realistically I don't see how you can lose that much of the river. It still has to reconnect at toon town and the theater isn't going away. To have the train not go through SWL, you would need to loose a good part of Fantasyland. The Ranch is basically the entrance of the land. Also the train's wheel base can't make tight curves that would be needed to wipe out 1/3 to 1/2 of the island. Why make turn left again?
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Did you not get the memo that the sky is constantly in a state of falling in Disney online fandom? Once this controversy blows over there'll be something else for us to be anxious about. Kindly fall in line and get with the program!
TP2000
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If you measured the track of the Mark Twain before and after, it would seem that about 25% of the track length is going away. You still have a big 200 degree turn on the northern edge of the river, but you are losing about 50 yards of lead-up track before and after that big turn.
This mockup isn't bad.
Fabulous job @phruby thanks for sharing it with us!
While to the human eye it looks as if a third or more of the Rivers of America is being chopped off, when you consider the length of the track the boats travel on it appears to be closer to 25% of the trip length is going away.
And to be honest after my final trip on the Mark Twain last week, chopping three or four minutes off that 16 minute long ride wouldn't be a bad thing. Once you passed the Hungry Bear Restaurant it was a slow, boring cruise past overgrown shrubs, a thin wall of trees that offered peekaboo views of the Mickey & Friends Parking Structure and Fantasmic! barge/prop storage, and some plastic animals and rickety robot Indians.
It was definitely not a remarkable or engaging experience, although it was quiet and dull in a sort of nice way.
Everything I've seen so far makes me think this will be a very good change for the Rivers of America experience. It gives it a new lease on life for the 21st century.
TP2000
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This won't be the first time in a Disneyland where the trains pass along trestles perched above the Rivers of America.
In Tokyo Disneyland, their versions of the River and the Railroad have exactly the same setup. I'm thinking this type of view will be coming to Anaheim, but a bit more spread out. In Tokyo they really wedged these two things in there, but from the artwork it looks like Anaheim's version gets some more breathing room and more dramatic rockwork and waterfalls and eye candy.
In Tokyo Disneyland, their versions of the River and the Railroad have exactly the same setup. I'm thinking this type of view will be coming to Anaheim, but a bit more spread out. In Tokyo they really wedged these two things in there, but from the artwork it looks like Anaheim's version gets some more breathing room and more dramatic rockwork and waterfalls and eye candy.
dweezil78
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Here's the fan mock-up I was referring to that shows before and after. This suggests a much more dramatic reduction than the image in the MiceAge discussion thread.
Well this would indeed be pretty dramatic. Although I find it hard to believe they would do such an extensive re-routing of the train tracks, I suppose DL's most significant land expansion (with maybe the exception of NOS) in 60 years would be the thing that warrants such a change.
Phroobar
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Except that routing makes no sense. Why have it twist and turn when a different curve will work just as well. The train wheel balance wouldn't do very well with those twists. It's also much cheaper to do. The bean counters would never do that extensive re-routing of the tracks.
dweezil78
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Right -- I'm with you on that. Seems like a lot of unnecessary work and $$$. They've always just worked around the track in the past (POTC drop, HM's stretching room), I really can't imagine they'd be unable to come up with a creative work around that doesn't involve such a huge shift and rebuild of track -- and that's not even accounting for the point you addressed with the wheels being unable to take such sharp turns.
TP2000
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This mockup isn't bad.
Again, it's a fabulously helpful image! According to CM's on another board, the "backstage" buildings to the immediate left of the blue shaded box are also included. The construction footprint of Star Wars goes all the way out to the fence along Disneyland Drive. You could enlarge that blue shaded box to the left edge of this photo and apparently it would be accurate. 14 acres is a lot.
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The unfortunate thing is that it is effective in whipping certain people into an emotional frenzy. Then the online hysteria expands once mainstream news outlets pick up their stories. It's rare that anything they report on turns out to be as dire as they predict. I'll never forget the big hullaboo they made before DCA opened about the lack of restrooms in the Hyperion Theater. It was as if Disney was going to hell because someone might need to leave the building to find a toilet during a 45 minute performance of Steps in Time. After years of following their various blogs I'm still amused, but immune to the hype.
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Travel Junkie
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Apparently anything other than outright praise for everything Disney does is considered whipping emotional people into an online hysteria.
Californian Elitist
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Right?
I'm expecting the worst and to be disappointed (I'm already disappointed), that way I won't be upset if it actually is bad.
Phroobar
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Curious Constance
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Whether you love it or hate it, you have to admit the hysteria is definitely there on both ends of the spectrum. I think both sides would benefit from realizing there is a middle ground. And just because someone is or isn't dreading an upcoming change, there really doesn't need to be so much animosity or an "us vs them" mentality. Sometimes I feel like being excited about something that's coming to a Disney park is not accepted or tolerated on Disney discussion boards.
ForeverAnna
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Problem is, like in most things, that middle grounders are less likely to post.
I consider myself a middle-grounder, I'm just a little afraid to talk about more opinionated topics around here honestly so I keep the opinions mostly to myself.