Unfortunately its hard for so many fans to separate out the "financial" from the "creative". Too many think because there is clear creative failures with Disney Star Wars that it must mean its also a financial failure, despite what the actual financials are.
Disney has a long, established history of killing profitable projects because they were not profitable enough. Why is Star Wars so different?
They haven't killed the franchise completely, despite what some fans think, they've just gone in a different creative direction. Sure they may have killed certain projects within the Star Wars franchise, but the franchise is still here and new projects are still being created out of it. Also its not been completely confirmed that content from the sequel trilogy have been completely killed. There were rumors that Daisy had signed on again to reprise her role as Rey in an upcoming project, now whether that goes anywhere remains to be seen.
I appreciate your opinion and response.
I personally think a lot of fans can separate them. The problem is the definition of failure. Would I say the sequels were a financial failure? No. But at the same time I wouldn't call it a success either. The mainline movies were not going to lose money at the box off. Too many fans, even if they hated last jedi, were going to see it. The failure in my eyes was, since they had a creative misfire you lost a lot of repeat business. You see that in the boxoffice with each movie doing less. Nothing was going to match force awakens. It was too much of an event. But I would have expected 8 & 9 to land somewhere closer to the 1.7ish billion each. Not just barely squeak past rogue one.
Well in that mindset, then the problem would be the definition of success then too.
Again, you are creating distinction that don’t exist. Hollywood, and Disney in particular, have killed projects because the one before wasn’t profitable enough. So no, Hollywood is not just fine and dandy with making a bit of a profit.
I specifically said that they wouldn't do better than force awakens. That wasn't the expectation. But it's not unfair to think that 8 & 9 should have done significantly better. I don't think it's wrong though, to expect a finale of a series to be as big or close to the first. The MCU did it.
I think we actually agree on that. I just don't see Disney agreeing with it. I'm sure they're glad they didn't lose money. But I don't see them thinking it was a financial success.
I get that some are not happy unless everyone agrees that Disney Star Wars was an utter failure, but I'm sorry you're not going to get everyone to agree to that.
We're just not going to see eye-to-eye here, so lets just agree to disagree...
I don't agree with any of this. Most fans thought 7 was a good start, although it borrowed too much from the originals. The vast majority of the fans liked Finn until Rian turned him into a fool. There are bad fans in EVERY fandom, star wars is no exception. The fans are the best thing to happen to star wars. If it wasn't for them it wouldn't be what it is. We kept it alive when it was completely out of the pop culture consciousness. The vast majority of the complaints with the sequels are valid. I'd say the worst thing to happen to star wars, was zero plan Kennedy.
I didn’t say anything about Star Wars being an utter failure. I didn’t say anything about franchises being killed completely. So no, I will not agree to you repeatedly mischaracterizing my point.
No I actually got your point, that Disney isn't happy with the money they made from Star Wars because it wasn't "profitable enough". If that is not the point you're trying to make, then it wasn't clear enough.
I said nothing about Disney’s happiness with Star Wars. My issue was with your base definitions to define success.
I'm sorry but your cryptic message about Disney killing projects didn't convey that. Sometimes its just better to come straight out and post your point.
