Replacement for Tomorrowland Speedway?

[Castle Cake Apologist]

You the man, Martin.

Hey, community: Is it already common knowledge what GE, WRTW, 220, LSE, WoW, and WC are? I mean, besides 'water closet' there at the end.

Psh... fear not, as I solved '220' back on page 60! @marni1971 liked the post, so that obviously means that it's happening. Although, I think we should probably be reading into the fact that he's now said '220' twice.

Hmm... hunger clearly references eating and 220 years ago would have been 1797.

Colonial American themed restaurant coming to Tomorrowland and will be announced at D23. #Confirmed

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

The real question after all of this is what happens with SGE

It becomes an arcade WIR Mission Breakout Hybrid! Unless plans have changed. D23 knows.

 

[Bairstow]

It becomes an arcade WIR Mission Breakout Hybrid! Unless plans have changed. D23 knows.

Backup indoor rain venue for the dance party.

 

[stuart]

I'm hungry. 220.

Let's see what's read into that!

Sitting outside at the Rose and Crown, ill pass the time and play along.

220 degrees on a compass is SW (ish)

Therefore a Star Wars themed restaurant is coming...

 

[Timothy_Q]

The inside portion of the Tron Coaster looks almost like TT 2.0.

More like Test Track 2 looks like Tron

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Sometimes people just don't want to jump through hoops to make something happen.

You've said it all.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Of course, but the Disney we usually see isn't picking out the theme for an attraction based on what will result in the most interesting or exciting guest experience, but what will have the most synergy with the company's efforts elsewhere to curry brand awareness, promote current and upcoming media, and move merchandise. Spending millions to build a Tron coaster seems like money down the toilet if these are Disney's true priorities.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I'm just surprised.

You have to consider location, time and ownership. The decision was not made by Disney alone and there are not many films that could be used to replace Space Mountain. It’s not like there would have been any sort of cultural confusion over Space Mountain.

I'm a huge fan of the Tron flicks and would love to see an attraction based on the films. Make the queue go through Flynn's Arcade (with 80s music playing in the background) and I'm in.

More like lots of black paint.

Someone must have showed him the numbers from the rat plush they move in Paris.

During its release in the US, Disney couldn’t give away Ratatouille merchandise.

 

[BrianLo]

It is surprising to see which franchises Disney decides to turn into attractions. Sometimes it seems like the best fit really does win. Tron fits in Tomorrowland, even if only for its aesthetic.

I use the word "franchise" intentionally. I'm surprised to hear that Ratatouille is going into Epcot. I believe Iger himself said that is a great movie, but not a franchise. And it's now 10 years old, yet here we are.

Putting aside the race to add GotG to the parks as fast as possible, I think seeing support for Tron and Rat are an interesting turn of events.

Check out the quote from Iger (I actually remembered this interview, somehow):

http://archive.fortune.com/2008/04/...view.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008041110

[Fortune.com] One of the decisions you made was to change the approach to managing these big franchises.

Iger: That was the result of a belief that these great character franchises were all brands unto themselves. But nobody was really managing those brands, and decisions were being made in a vacuum. So if we determine that "Toy Story" is a real franchise for the company, then "Toy Story" should get made. Now, you still have to have a great story and great execution - and in the absence of that, you shouldn't make it. And not everything has to be a franchise. I was recently asked whether "Ratatouille" was a franchise. I said no: "Ratatouille" is an extremely good animated film and will be a classic unto itself, but it is not a franchise. You are not going to see "Ratatouille" attractions in parks.
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On a lighter note, I must point out that Bob Iger (the ultimate insider) explicitly stated we are not going to see a Ratatouille attraction in the parks. He's lost all credibility now!

I was reflecting on this the other day that it is pretty ridiculous that Ratatouille of all properties has an E-ticket in the world and we are 99.9999% getting a second one.

Meanwhile there is no E-ticket version of any renaissance or new WDAS film (save the forthcoming B&TB in Tokyo) and barely any other Pixar films except Cars, Monsters and I guess two for Nemo.

How on earth did Ratatouille of all properties pull that one off?

 

[Jbres_]

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Any authority to this? It shows a new TL plaza as well as Tron.

 

[Rodan75]

During its release in the US, Disney couldn’t give away Ratatouille merchandise.

That is the beauty of 'non-franchise' movies, you never know when suddenly one of your characters becomes an icon for foodies and creates a decent little economy around itself.

I don't know enough about Remy to say whether Disney carefully and slowly crafted it or if Disney is reacting to it. But at the very least the Remy restaurants on the cruise ships have helped build a Foodie halo.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Yeah, that's what's killing me with that discussion. It's awesome that some people can travel to Disney resorts all over the world, but you shouldn't put your circumstances onto other people. It's great that "only $200 more" is a small amount of money to some, but it's a car payment to somebody else, and most people don't have jobs that just let them travel the world at the drop of a hat.

If you're buying tickets and AP's to WDW, you absolutely can make it work. Might it require skipping a WDW trip? Sure.

Which comes back to a bit of sacrifice for a completely new experience.

I'm an AP holder at HK. Know why? It was $145 (if I recall). How much did you spend on your last multi-day ticket or AP to WDW?

It can happen if you want it to. If you want it enough. If you don't, that's fine... but then you shouldn't claim it's not doable... you should just admit you don't want to sacrifice what it takes to go. I spent almost $2000 on WDW tickets for my family on our last trip. I got AP's at Hong Kong and 4 days at shanghai for half of that. Guess where that extra $1000(ish) can go? Plane tickets.

 

[No Name]

The Tron coaster serves as Shanghai's Space Mountain. We already have our classic Space Mountain. If Disney wants to add a major new ride to Tomorrowland, they are more than welcome to, but how about something besides another futuristic-looking coaster?

Frontierland got it right in 1992 with Splash Mountain. They didn't build Bigger Thunder Mountain RR. That's essentially what they'd be doing with Tron in Tommorowland. Build something that adds variety and doesn't dwarf an older classic.

Never mind the fact that WDW would be going from one launch coaster to four in a few years. I have mixed thoughts on that.

@marni1971 said the theme is changing. Don't know if we should jump yet to the conclusion that this would be an "upgrade." The track's "uprgrade" in Anaheim was a very weak addition of inscrutable unmoving robots.

They move now. I think it's rather cute.

Problem is, anything too interesting or distracting would cause people to slow down as they pass. Kind of like what happens on real highways, "rubbernecking" and all.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

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Any authority to this? It shows a new TL plaza as well as Tron.

Nope. Just Clickbait Twitter Photoshop fail.

 

[uncle jimmy]

I'm hungry. 220.

Let's see what's read into that!

Thank you.

No, nothing. Things happen. People move on. Myself, I'm just reigning myself back a bit. I've nothing to prove and don't want to constantly be "that guy". Plus of course I've people and friends to honour. Could I say more? Absolutely. Could I talk about things I haven't? Yes. Could I spill the D23 beans? Probably. I could talk about **GE. WRTW. 220. LSE. WoW. WC. Resorts. Transport. But I'm not going to break trust. I have (with respect) no desire to be on a pedestal. I just have an interest in the parks and resorts development and am fortunate to have made some great friends over the years. And as always things can change. I'm not in charge. I don't sit in meeting rooms. Sometimes things seem too ridiculous to talk about at first. Or have a slim chance of happening.

I just say what I can when I think I should. And sometimes let others take the credit.

WoW: Wonders of Weird?
220: Sugar Rush
those are the only two I've got so far

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

If you're buying tickets and AP's to WDW, you absolutely can make it work. Might it require skipping a WDW trip? Sure.

Which comes back to a bit of sacrifice for a completely new experience.

I'm an AP holder at HK. Know why? It was $145 (if I recall). How much did you spend on your last multi-day ticket or AP to WDW?

It can happen if you want it to. If you want it enough. If you don't, that's fine... but then you shouldn't claim it's not doable... you should just admit you don't want to sacrifice what it takes to go. I spent almost $2000 on WDW tickets for my family on our last trip. I got AP's at Hong Kong and 4 days at shanghai for half of that. Guess where that extra $1000(ish) can go? Plane tickets.

You're still projecting your own circumstances on others, though.

I would wager that the majority of posters on these forums do not have WDW APs, and many probably do not visit more than once every three years or so. So right off the bat, you're assuming that your audience shells out that kind of money as a normal yearly expense, which is simply not true. Perhaps you do, but many could not.

At this point I can't even remember what started this drift lol.

@marni1971 said the theme is changing. Don't know if we should jump yet to the conclusion that this would be an "upgrade." The track's "uprgrade" in Anaheim was a very weak addition of inscrutable unmoving robots.

Thankfully, the robots eventually started moving... they just weren't on when the attraction first reopened. I hated the new Autopia at first, but it's not nearly as bad now.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

During its release in the US, Disney couldn’t give away Ratatouille merchandise.

True. I snagged a 12" plush Remy from a Walmart claw machine. Machine was full of them about 2 months after the movie release in theaters. Apparently they did give them away; for chump change! The same Remy is currently selling upwards of $30 or more. 50 cents well spent.

 

[Christian Fronckowiak]

Similarly, I read that MK was built to fund or at least hedge their bets on Epcot. MK and the resorts were safe, sure fire hits. Epcot was too progressive of an idea and super risky to get financial backing or spinsors on its own. They were afraid if it was built first and failed that it would not just sink the Florida project but the entire company. Plus, they needed time to figure out what post-Walt Epcot would actually be.

Well, they knew a Magic Kingdom based off of Disneyland could be a sure fit hit. Disney wasn't even running the Disneyland Hotel yet.

One of my favorite rides ever was a non coaster attraction- with screens and special effects. Sadly that ride is now defunct, too much of a "thrill" for MK, but would be amazing at DHS or IoA..unfortunately will never happen due to capacity.

Alien Encounter?

I was reflecting on this the other day that it is pretty ridiculous that Ratatouille of all properties has an E-ticket in the world and we are 99.9999% getting a second one.

Meanwhile there is no E-ticket version of any renaissance or new WDAS film (save the forthcoming B&TB in Tokyo) and barely any other Pixar films except Cars, Monsters and I guess two for Nemo.

How on earth did Ratatouille of all properties pull that one off?

France was willing to pay for it.

 

[larryz]

All I can figure out is that GE is Great Escape, so maybe a Stitch replacement?

Maybe they'll make it Nemo's Great Escape, and have a Nemo AA jump out of the chamber and flop about on the stage...

 

[SCOTLORR]

WoW: Wonders of Weird?
220: Sugar Rush
those are the only two I've got so far

How do you figure 220 is Sugar Rush?

 

[PizzaPlanet]

It's crazy that Mk's Tomorrowland is getting another overlay while TDA continues to let the original Tomorrowland rot.