Reopening Disneyland

[Californian Elitist]

They're gonna celebrate Black History month by removing their only ride based on Black History.

What ride at DL is based on black history? Because it’s not Splash and there is literally no other ride I can think of, so I’m wondering which ride you’re talking about?

 

[Californian Elitist]

As an actual black person who loves Splash & Jungle , you lost me. If either of those two rides are considered rides for black history then I guess I would have to unwillingly support this PATF ride just so we can actually get a ride for black folks. No one during Black History Month is opening the page of Jungle Cruise & Splash for black positivity & inspiration. And while anyone could ride those rides, neither ride was made with black people in mind.

That being said, for different reasons they shouldn’t remove Splash or Lincoln. I’m not African though so I won’t speak on JC.

LMAO FACTS! What black person in America is going on Splash and/or Jungle Cruise for black history and to feel proud to be black? Because I surely am not and let’s be honest, those aren’t “black history” attractions. There are no “black history” attractions.

In addition, it’s nice to have another black voice here.

 

[CaptinEO]

What ride at DL is based on black history? Because it’s not Splash and there is literally no other ride I can think of, so I’m wondering which ride you’re talking about?

Splash Mountain is based on the Uncle Remus folk tales from African American History.

 

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Splash Mountain is based on the Uncle Remus folk tales from African American History.

The Uncle Remus “folk tales” were written, if affectionately, by a white guy.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The QS food you can find along NOS represents black history more than either of those rides. And I say that sparingly due to it still tasting like theme park food. My dad’s gumbo don’t taste the same as Disney’s

I remember when Disney published a gumbo recipe that called for kale and quinoa () and black people were not having it. They eventually took it down.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Splash Mountain is based on the Uncle Remus folk tales from African American History.

No, Uncle Remus was created by Joel Chandler Harris, a white man. In addition, he made Uncle Remus an Uncle Tom as well.

 

[CaptinEO]

They're gonna celebrate Black History month by removing their only ride based on Black History.

As an actual black person who loves Splash & Jungle , you lost me. If either of those two rides are considered rides for black history then I guess I would have to unwillingly support this PATF ride just so we can actually get a ride for black folks. No one during Black History Month is opening the page of Jungle Cruise & Splash for black positivity & inspiration. And while anyone could ride those rides, neither ride was made with black people in mind.

That being said, for different reasons they shouldn’t remove Splash or Lincoln. I’m not African though so I won’t speak on JC.

Oh I'm not saying Jungle Cruise is representative of Black History in any way. But in terms of African American history, Splash Mountain is the only ride I can think of at any Disney park that is based on African American history and folk lore.

To my knowledge Tiana is a Disney creation from 2009. Brer Rabbit, Brear Bear, and Bear Fox, are African American created folk tale characters that have been around since the 1800s.

 

[CaptinEO]

No, Uncle Remus was created by Joel Chandler Harris, a white man. In addition, he made Uncle Remus an Uncle Tom as well.

He adapted (or you could say stole) the stories, but the stories are African American folk tales in the very same way that the stories you see in Disneyland are European folk takes.

I respect and honor your opinion and am not trying to offend. I just know that in terms of history, the frog princess is a German fairytale and is not based in African American history.

I think it's great to give Tiana a ride and for young kids to have someone who represents them, but for a history month it seems ironic to mention replacing the attraction based on African American historical folk tales.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

LMAO FACTS! What black person in America is going on Splash and/or Jungle Cruise for black history and to feel proud to be black? Because I surely am not and let’s be honest, those aren’t “black history” attractions. There are no “black history” attractions.

In addition, it’s nice to have another black voice here.

Just curious, but what attraction anywhere, is for white/asian/latino history? Why should any attraction in a theme park make you feel proud to be anything?

 

[el_super]

Oh I'm not saying Jungle Cruise is representative of Black History in any way. But in terms of African American history, Splash Mountain is the only ride I can think of at any Disney park that is based on African American history and folk lore.

I think he best way to sum this up is, there isn't so much an issue with the stories or characters of Splash Mountain. The issue is more of how they were appropriated and exploited by Disney. If Disney found some black creators that wanted to tell those stories from their perspective and using their voice, that would be a far more appropriate use than the 1946 depictions of those same stories.

 

[Californian Elitist]

He adapted (or you could say stole) the stories, but the stories are African American folk tales in the very same way that the stories you see in Disneyland are European folk takes.

I respect and honor your opinion and am not trying to offend. I just know that in terms of history, the frog princess is a German fairytale and is not based in African American history.

I think it's great to give Tiana a ride and for young kids to have someone who represents them, but for a history month it seems ironic to mention replacing the attraction based on African American historical folk tales.

The original African folklore is not represented in the Uncle Remus Tales. Harris appropriated the folklore and turned them into something else, which is what Walt Disney based Song of the South on, which is what Splash is based on.

I didn’t mention PatF at all. I did say there is currently no “black history” ride at DL.

 

[CaptinEO]

The original African folklore is not represented in the Uncle Remus Tales. Harris appropriated them folklore and turned them into something else, which is what Walt Disney based Song of the South on, which is what Splash is based on.

I didn’t mention PatF at all. I did say there is currently no “black history” ride at DL.

Ah, I didn't know this. Thank you.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Just curious, but what attraction anywhere, is for white/asian/latino history? Why should any attraction in a theme park make you feel proud to be anything?

Not sure what the first question has to do with anything, so I’ll skip over it. I and other mentioned being proud because the original claim was that Splash was a “black history” ride. I took that to almost mean black history month, which is supposed to uplift black people. Black folks aren’t getting on Splash for an uplifting of our history because it’s not a “black history” ride. That’s why it was mentioned.

 

[CaptinEO]

I think he best way to sum this up is, there isn't so much an issue with the stories or characters of Splash Mountain. The issue is more of how they were appropriated and exploited by Disney. If Disney found some black creators that wanted to tell those stories from their perspective and using their voice, that would be a far more appropriate use than the 1946 depictions of those same stories.

Yes, back then the company was a lot different. Unfortunately there weren't many opportunities for non white cultures to be in these creative industries.

Even up until the early 2000s the company would send all their white animators and writers on excursions to find out about and study the culture. Now they do so with a voice from each culture.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Not sure what the first question has to do with anything, so I’ll skip over it. I and other mentioned being proud because the original claim was that Splash was a “black history” ride. I took that to almost mean black history month, which is supposed to uplift black people. Black folks aren’t getting on Splash for an uplifting of our history because it’s not a “black history” ride. That’s why it was mentioned.

Well, I agree that it certainly isn't anything about black history. I was curious if you thought any attraction was about anyone else's actual history. I don't feel "proud" of my heritage on any attraction at any theme park, so wondered why you would think that any attraction would garner those types of feelings. Again, just curious.

 

[CaptinEO]

Not sure what the first question has to do with anything, so I’ll skip over it. I and other mentioned being proud because the original claim was that Splash was a “black history” ride. I took that to almost mean black history month, which is supposed to uplift black people. Black folks aren’t getting on Splash for an uplifting of our history because it’s not a “black history” ride. That’s why it was mentioned.

Not saying it's uplifting culturally, was just that it's the only attraction based in African American history. (Although you informed me it is not based on folk lore and is created by a white man, which I did not know).

 

[Californian Elitist]

Well, I agree that it certainly isn't anything about black history. I was curious if you thought any attraction was about anyone else's actual history. I don't feel "proud" of my heritage on any attraction at any theme park, so wondered why you would think that any attraction would garner those types of feelings. Again, just curious.

That’s you though, and that’s fine. If Disney made the choice to create an attraction based on black culture/black history, I personally would want them to do it justice and I would prefer to leave the attraction feeling uplifted, proud of the representation, and positive and not let down.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

That’s you though, and that’s fine. If Disney made the choice to create an attraction based on black culture/black history, I personally would want them to do it justice and I would prefer to leave the attraction feeling uplifted, proud of the representation, and positive and not let down.

We all hope that they would do it justice. So what current attraction do you think should uplift anyone of any race or ethnicity to be proud of their history?

 

[Californian Elitist]

We all hope that they would do it justice. So what current attraction do you think should uplift anyone of any race or ethnicity to be proud of their history?

We’re getting into territory that has nothing to do with this thread, and I acknowledge that I contributed to that. Feel free to PM me or create a separate thread on this topic and tag me.

 

[CaptinEO]

We all hope that they would do it justice. So what current attraction do you think should uplift anyone of any race or ethnicity to be proud of their history?

I will say that the Animal Kingdom Lodge was our honeymoon hotel and at the hotel and restaurants there are cultural representatives from Africa. We had great conversations with those representatives and we also had some great African food.

Disney World does a really good job of this.