News Remy's Ratatouille Adventure coming to Epcot

[Missing20K]

18 U.S. Code Chapter 90 - PROTECTION OF TRADE SECRETS

www.law.cornell.edu

That’s just one example.

This passage seems appropriate:

the information derives independent economic value, actual or potential, from not being generally known to, and not being readily ascertainable through proper means by, another person who can obtain economic value from the disclosure or use of the information;

How might a competitor, say UNI, derive economic value from DIS attraction costs being "leaked" that they would not be able to readily ascertain through proper means (such as having their own in-house design team, using the same contractors and subcontractors and vendors as DIS, or through exec interviews or financial docs)?

Unless someone is using the attraction cost info to manipulate the market for DIS shares, I'm not sure a simple round number that could entail any number of "unseen" projects could be construed as a "trade secret" by the definition of the law you posted.

Genuinely interested in your thoughts.

 

[kja1269]

I'd consider Ursula a D.

Mermaid's more like a B or C.

But the shells make it difficult to tell for sure

 

[nor'easter]

This passage seems appropriate:



How might a competitor, say UNI, derive economic value from DIS attraction costs being "leaked" that they would not be able to readily ascertain through proper means (such as having their own in-house design team, using the same contractors and subcontractors and vendors as DIS, or through exec interviews or financial docs)?

Unless someone is using the attraction cost info to manipulate the market for DIS shares, I'm not sure a simple round number that could entail any number of "unseen" projects could be construed as a "trade secret" by the definition of the law you posted.

Genuinely interested in your thoughts.

You are absolutely right. That person hasn't got clue what he/she is talking about.

 

[Lensman]

According to who?

Awesome. Please cite a reputable source, such as a financial disclosure document, reputable media publication, or published interview with an executive insider (someone who works for Disney).

Absent that, you have no idea what it costs, and people on here are just spitballing and repeating rumors (from other people who don't actually know)...

Then why can't you cite a source? Where is the information available? Post a link? Why is it so hard?

ANYWAY - I find it very dubious to think this ride is "costing more than Everest" and people love to blow out of proportion the estimated costs for Disney attraction (even though they are staggeringly expensive).....

Again, why not cite a source other than a self-proclaimed "insider"?
g false information....

Your post makes zero sense. The chief "insider" here obviously doesn't work for (and I highly doubt with) Disney and is simply relaying what he claims others have told him (in bits and pieces in effort to protect his sources and/or string people along).

What I'm trying to tell you is that information you claim "has been out there for years" probably isn't true.... UNLESS it comes from a financial document or an executive interview. Both exist as it relates to certain attractions.

There's a reason why hearsay isn't allowed into a courtroom as evidence.... because it frequently isn't true.

Where do you get this information?

Sources?

Maybe your "source" is just wrong?

Are your really so gullible as to believe that? If one of the "insiders" told you the sky is purple and the world is flat would you believe that, too?

Why not just cite some actual evidence?

This all started because someone said a cloned ride in an unthemed warehouse, 20 year old ride system, remanufactured sets and screens, and some very limited highly themed areas is going to cost more than Everest..... and people actually believe that nonsense.

When I call BS the “sooth sayers” get insecure and start lobbing ridicule and insults. Is this how we should behave?

Not attacking anyone! Just pointing out they don’t have any evidence and readers should keep that in mind.

So yes, Disney benefits from these rumors and innuendos and they have no obligation to correct the record.

I am extremely dubious about the accuracy of the numbers received by the so called "insiders."

Just wanted to see if I can summarize and conclude this subthread to our conversation.

1. @tigerlight thinks the budget for Rat is much lower than cited in this thread.
2. @tigerlight doubts we have any leaked information from "insiders"
3. Even if we do, @tigerlight thinks that we shouldn't trust "relayed" information because we should apply the same standard of testimony as a court of law. I.e. No heresay.
4. But even if we should, @tigerlight thinks that these insiders are guilty of criminal violation of the protection of trade secrets.

Of course, in order for there to have been a leak of a trade secret, those leaks would have to be true. So to be entirely consistent, you could either believe that the leaks are true or that the leakers are leakers. Of course, I can choose to believe neither, since I don't think the proposed all-in project estimates for the business case including NPV'd maintenance and operational costs, and cost-of-capital to be a trade secret for TWDC, not that what I think matters. And in either case it doesn't affect what I think about the attraction. I'm more concerned about what's going to happen with the Eiffel Tower.

Note: Apologies, I was just going to summarize so we could move on but then I noticed the contradiction. I'm happy to conclude that it wouldn't necessarily need to be a contradiction as it could be two conflicting but conditional beliefs.

 

[lazyboy97o]

As for who benefits from unauthorized releases.... lots of people... and it's way more than Universal. Pretty much everyone in the industry would love to know what the individual attractions cost to build and could use that information for their own strategic benefit.

What about the third parties that design/build rides like Sally and Dynamic and sell these rides all over the world? Disney does so much in-house that learning what they truly spent on GoTG or the clone of Ratatouille is very useful. Sally Executive: "Disney spent $70M on the Ratatoille clone? Interesting. I wonder how they got that cost down so far... let's figure that out and sell roughly the same system to Dubai for even less than that" OR "Dang Disney is STILL spending over a $100M on THAT old ride system? We can build the same thing for XXX."

Merlin is the 2nd largest theme park operator - don't you think they can benefit from real numbers coming out of Disney and use that info to make decisions?

Is this a joke? An expensive Sally dark ride crests $10 million, nowhere near what Disney spends. Dynamic attractions does work for Disney; they build the Soarin’ ride systems and sell their own flying theater system. The entire process from Blue Sky to construction is filled with people and companies who do work for Disney and everyone else, many of whom have to know costs in order to do their job.

 

[shortstop]

Don’t feed the troll everyone

 

[TeriofTerror]

I think Star-Lord's greatest power is his ability to hijack any thread.
So, how is Remy doing these days?

 

[marni1971]

I am extremely dubious about the accuracy of the numbers received by the so called "insiders."

Like I said, I’m just a wacko who makes it up.

 

[zakattack99]

So I looked at the rumor tracker and it says that this is estimated to open April-June 2020, but that info seems to be from 2017. Is this still a good date range or has it moved at all?

 

[Princess Leia]

Can the last 3-4 pages of this thread just be deleted? Yeesh.

Question- is there a possiblility of the Remy puppet/animatronic (I’m not exactly sure what it was) coming back to the France pavilion?

 

[ToTBellHop]

So I looked at the rumor tracker and it says that this is estimated to open April-June 2020, but that info seems to be from 2017. Is this still a good date range or has it moved at all?

Still looking like next Spring.

 

[bubbles1812]

Marni's insights are one of the prime reasons I visit this site, FWIW. His track record speaks for itself. Doubt him if you dare!

As for GOTG - isn't that grand, all that money for a ride based on a third-tier bunch of Marvel also-rans, and yet Mary Poppins MIGHT get a dinky carousel at best.

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I’d love something more for Mary Poppins than a carousel. The new movie was a delight to me and the old movie holds a special place in my heart.

Your comment on GOTG confuses me though. They are incredibly popular regardless of how well they did in the original comics.

From a Disney corporate perspective, it makes total sense to use them. They can’t use anyone else in the Parks due to the Universal/Marvel agreement. They’re popular. And Marvel makes gonzo dollars for Disney. I’d want to incorporate them somehow too. Mary Poppins does not make them billions (sometimes just with one movie). You don’t have to like it. I know you don’t like IP. But it’s the smart move from a dollars point and cultural footprint perspective.

As for the actual point of this thread... Remy is a good ride. I enjoyed it in DLP and it’s at least somewhat synergistic with France. I love the Frozen ride but that’s fantasy Norway, not real Norway. At least Ratatouille took place in Paris. Now if only they could get rid of (my preferred option) or at least update the American Adventure film...

 

[ToTBellHop]

I’d love something more for Mary Poppins than a carousel. The new movie was a delight to me and the old movie holds a special place in my heart.

Your comment on GOTG confuses me though. They are incredibly popular regardless of how well they did in the original comics.

From a Disney corporate perspective, it makes total sense to use them. They can’t use anyone else in the Parks due to the Universal/Marve agreement. They’re popular. And Marvel makes gonzo dollars for Disney. Mary Poppins does not make them billions (sometimes just with one movie). You don’t have to like it. I know you don’t like IP. But it’s the smart move from a dollars point and cultural footprint perspective.

As for the actual point of this thread... Remy is a good ride. I enjoyed it in DLP and it’s at least somewhat synergistic with France. I love the Frozen ride but that’s fantasy Norway, not real Norway. At least Ratatouille took place in Paris. Now if only they could get rid of (my preferred option) or at least update the American Adventure film...

I think Remy gets a bit of a slanted reaction around here. Most will view it as the weakest LPS ride opening in the next 15 months at WDW but still a good ride. Considering World Showcase has always been quite weak in the rides department, it will be a welcomed addition to the park as a whole, and World Showcase in particular. It also works reasonably well with the original vision of the park.

 

[WDWtraveler]

Photo update as of Sunday, March 3, 2019.

 

[sedati]

Hopefully they'll finish the bottom floor of those false fronts, along with hiding the rest of the Impressions de France showbuilding:

Remember, despite being painted go away beige, that structure used to be quite visible before they plussed the side and backside so the hotels would have a nicer view.

Also, imagine the horror of seeing a showbuilding that never even housed a show!

 

[marni1971]

Hopefully they'll finish the bottom floor of those false fronts, along with hiding the rest of the Impressions de France showbuilding:

They will.

 

[sedati]

They will.

Excellent.
Are you awake already? I really need to go to bed. Apologies for my latest post in advance.
Good morning and goodnight.

 

[marni1971]

Excellent.
Are you awake already? I really need to go to bed. Apologies for my latest post in advance.
Good morning and goodnight.

Unless it’s curtailed, the whole western facade should receive some work.

 

[larryz]

Unless it’s curtailed, the whole western facade should receive some work.

It must have taken quite the silver-tongued devil to convince the suits to do that work without any immediately apparent ROI...

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Really? The information has been out there for years. Why be difficult?

Have they ever released WDW budgets for any of their projects?