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EPCOT Remy's Ratatouille Adventure coming to Epcot

donsullivan

Premium Member
He is entitled to his opinion and I respect his point of views very much. The facade and outdoor area leading up to the ride are gorgeous. The crepe sit down place is really freaking nice as well. But to me, it is in service of a boring, very slow moving, not visually entertaining , dark ride filled with screens. only decent room was the one where you had the giant food around you and it made you feel small like a rat. The whole ride needs to be like that not just one room.
And that's why Walt Disney World is built with a variety of attraction experiences of various types to ensure there is something for everyone, not everything is for everyone. Everything doesn't need to be an 'E' ticket to be considered valid. A good theme park has a variety of experiences suitable to all ages and interests.
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

Well-Known Member
And that's why Walt Disney World is built with a variety of attraction experiences of various types to ensure there is something for everyone, not everything is for everyone. Everything doesn't need to be an 'E' ticket to be considered valid. A good theme park has a variety of experiences suitable to all ages and interests.
I didn't say it needed to be an E ticket but at least have some effort put into it. This ride is lazy and I am hesitant to even call it a "ride".
 

jaxonp

Well-Known Member
To be fair, I don’t really like the attraction (I think it’s a significantly weaker effort than some of the gems from the same era, like RSR and Mystic Manor), but I do like the French.

Something is off when I’m being compared to a selfish American Karen because I want more visitors to be able to get something out of the French like I can (beyond simply “that’s French!”), but I digress. Thank you.

Question, have you been on every Mystic Manor or Hunny Hunt?
 

disneygeek90

Well-Known Member
To be fair, I don’t really like the attraction (I think it’s a significantly weaker effort than some of the gems from the same era, like RSR and Mystic Manor), but I do like the French.

Something is off when I’m being compared to a selfish American Karen because I want more visitors to be able to get something out of the French like I can (beyond simply “that’s French!”), but I digress. Thank you.
I’m not trying to attack, but it seems that your biggest issue is that there isn’t that extra piece beyond the ride. While fair, it’s not a representative way to judge the attraction itself. What you describe is a complement, not a necessity.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
I’m not trying to attack, but it seems that your biggest issue is that there isn’t that extra piece beyond the ride. While fair, it’s not a representative way to judge the attraction itself. What you describe is a complement, not a necessity.
Fair enough - I still find the attraction on its own merits to be underwhelming, and the Epcot implementation to be lazy.
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
Thank you for taking the time to actually hear what I had to say on this topic.
I think we were closer than I realised, so apologies if I was a little rude. Like others (I think), I was feeling a bit of frustration that the one interesting decision Disney made about the attraction (to keep it bilingual) seemed to be getting some blowback which just encourages Disney to go the easy and safe route even more.

Honestly, this feels like it could be one of the few saving graces of Epcot 3.0, and it's one of the reasons I'm cautiously optimistic about Harmonious (as much as I loved RoE). It's such an important part of our world, and one that so many people overlook until it's significantly harder to tackle; Epcot is a place where that spark can be seamlessly planted and reinforced.
Again, I feel exactly the same on this. The one thing that may redeem Harmonious from being just another collection of songs and clips from Disney films with fireworks is the use of musicians and languages from different parts of the world. If they can convincingly turn it in to a celebration of linguistic diversity, that could end up being more suitable and powerful than we're imagining. That it is premiering at the same time as a major bilingual attraction is a promising sign that there could be some understanding of how to blend entertainment and education, at least in World Showcase.

My general feeling is that World Showcase's continuing popularity and the fact it looms so large in the popular image of what Epcot is does speak to interest and curiosity that still exists in getting an experience of different countries and cultures in the same place. Again, language really can't be left out of that, as we are also seeing in films like Coco and, I'm sure, Encanto.

I actually have some extended family in Australia, and when chatting with some of them, I was really inspired by how much travel they do (well, did, before the borders closed). One was a huge Francophile who moved to France with her partner for a few years, but even putting that aside, it seems they're so much better at taking extended holidays and actually immersing themselves in other places (probably because they have to, travel distances and all). Very cool that you've made up for that initial lack of exposure in your adulthood!
We do (err, did) travel a lot in Australia for the reasons you mention, plus everyone gets 4 weeks vacation a year and many generous long service leave. Language teaching is terrible in Australia as in most English-speaking countries, but there is something about being so far from everywhere (even South East Asia is not close to where most Australians live) that seems to push people to go out exploring!
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
And that's why Walt Disney World is built with a variety of attraction experiences of various types to ensure there is something for everyone, not everything is for everyone. Everything doesn't need to be an 'E' ticket to be considered valid. A good theme park has a variety of experiences suitable to all ages and interests.
When something has the size and the cost of an E Ticket then something of that caliber is a reasonable expectation.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
I think we were closer than I realised, so apologies if I was a little rude. Like others (I think), I was feeling a bit of frustration that the one interesting decision Disney made about the attraction (to keep it bilingual) seemed to be getting some blowback which just encourages Disney to go the easy and safe route even more.
Totally makes sense! As is often the case with discussion tangents here, I hadn't even thought of this factor before, until:

(1) Someone pointed out the obvious reason why it wasn't updated: having to redo the animation.
(2) An initial complaint about the French came in from someone else.

Again, I feel exactly the same on this. The one thing that may redeem Harmonious from being just another collection of songs and clips from Disney films with fireworks is the use of musicians and languages from different parts of the world. If they can convincingly turn it in to a celebration of linguistic diversity, that could end up being more suitable and powerful than we're imagining. That it is premiering at the same time as a major bilingual attraction is a promising sign that there could be some understanding of how to blend entertainment and education, at least in World Showcase.

My general feeling is that World Showcase's continuing popularity and the fact it looms so large in the popular image of what Epcot is does speak to interest and curiosity that still exists in getting small experiences of different countries and cultures in different places. Again, language really can't be left out of that, as we are also seeing in films like Coco and, I'm sure, Encanto.
Modern Disney is so lucky the World Showcase of 1982 resonates today, considering how stale most of it is. That resonance is largely due to the food, music, architecture, language, and (hopefully soon) cast. It truly succeeds at its mission in a way most theme parks can't, with only Animal Kingdom providing a superior immersive effort (in the US parks), IMO.

For nearly 20 years, I've been dreaming of new countries being added to it, and that was my biggest hope out of Epcot 3.0. Watching concepts like Brazil and India rise and fall has been painful.

That said, there really is hope, and surprisingly Harmonious is fueling it as more details come out. While Ratatouille dashed some of those hopes, I'll continue to dream about a new pavilion by the end of the decade.

We do (err, did) travel a lot in Australia for the reasons you mention, plus everyone gets 4 weeks vacation a year and many generous long service leave. Language teaching is terrible in Australia as in most English-speaking countries, but there is something about being so far from everywhere (even South East Asia is not close to where most Australians live) that seems to push people to go out exploring!
One cool thing before my last visit to Australia (early 2019) is I'd visited Hong Kong a few months prior, and I was amazed by how many Australian accents I heard in HK. It quickly made sense, as it's one of the easiest cosmopolitan trips you can make from there! The language learning might not be top-notch (I'd say it isn't in the US either; Europe has a major leg up), but that motivation to make the most of your holiday time is huge.

I would love to live in Australia one day (was blown away by my stay in the Tweed Heads / Northern NSW region), but that's contingent on AU opening up to Americans again!
 
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SpoiledBlueMilk

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Would be problematic on multiple levels, not the least of which would be adding further confusion to the bathrooms in Magic Kingdom. Would be fun for the uninformed to go there looking for the new ride only to learn it’s in another park.

Better a generic “Brothers Grimm” ride with a series of key scenes from Grimm-inspired tales vignetted to look like illuminated manuscript pages or something.
But that's not IP and that's not the Chapek way
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jaxonp

Well-Known Member
Yep, and I like them both significantly more (been to all the theme parks, including TDL twice).

The ceilings might not be as high, but the actual immersion in a themed space is far superior. Hunny Hunt might even be 'simpler' but it's downright charming.

I've only been to HK twice so I was expecting to be blown away for as much praise as MM gets but I wasn't. To me, regardless of IP, screens or animatronics (the method in which so many seem to measure an attraction) Hunny Hunt is still better than just about every ride since and its the original trackless. It moves, its fun and it has all sorts of practical tricks. Not one word is spoken in English, but that doesn't matter... anyone can appreciate what's happening before their own eyes. I guess many might say the same about MM but I still haven't found it to be that great. I honestly think Rat and MM are about equal.. Both have issues but I think the fandom seems to like that MM is an original IP. IMO, pooh is worth the trip to Tokyo itself.. perhaps its why I've been there 10+ times now. That place is just a gem.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

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I've only been to HK twice so I was expecting to be blown away for as much praise as MM gets but I wasn't. To me, regardless of IP, screens or animatronics (the method in which so many seem to measure an attraction) Hunny Hunt is still better than just about every ride since and its the original trackless. It moves, its fun and it has all sorts of practical tricks. Not one word is spoken in English, but that doesn't matter... anyone can appreciate what's happening before their own eyes. I guess many might say the same about MM but I still haven't found it to be that great. I honestly think Rat and MM are about equal.. Both have issues but I think the fandom seems to like that MM is an original IP. IMO, pooh is worth the trip to Tokyo itself.. perhaps its why I've been there 10+ times now. That place is just a gem.
That's totally fair. I think Hunny Hunt would be the easier one to pick apart for simply being on a lower scale, but each corner of every room is filled out and it's so, so charming. Made me smile in a way most rides don't (besides laugh factories like Splash Mountain and Mission Breakout).

I like Mystic Manor too (and would definitely take it over Ratatouille), but that's just me. Your points are all valid.
 

Brer Panther

Well-Known Member
A simulator is a type of ride.
Okay, a simulator disguised as a DARK RIDE.

A Ratatouille dark ride, dashing through the kitchen shrunken down to the size of a rat, had the potential to be fun. Instead, you're just parked in front of a screen for most of the ride. They could've just made the attraction a simulator and it wouldn't have a made a difference.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
A Ratatouille dark ride, dashing through the kitchen shrunken down to the size of a rat, had the potential to be fun. Instead, you're just parked in front of a screen for most of the ride. They could've just made the attraction a simulator and it wouldn't have a made a difference.
I don't care about the classification of the ride, but this remains my gripe with it: you've got this innovative, nifty vehicle that can do almost anything on the ground, and you spend way too long parked in place watching prolonged clips.
 

Little Green Men

Well-Known Member
When the highlights of Epcot are nerfed Test Track, nerfed Soarin', Frozen river journey featuring blank walls, and the most underwhelming trackless addition yet, it is quite sad.

As someone who loved Epcot circa 2000 (and really enjoyed the original Soarin'), I think its attractions are pretty terrible right now. Ratatouille doesn't move the needle, as far as I'm concerned, and that's not because of the French.
Current Test Track is a great EPCOT ride, Mission Space is too. The seas aquariums, LwtL and SSE are classics. Guardians is sure to be popular. The only thing that really needs help atp is Imagination.
I’ve never really felt strongly about them myself (they’re both solid and unique but somewhat low-key), but honestly, you’re right.

My Epcot highlight was always IllumiNations (and Soarin’ when it was actually good), so a lot is contingent on Harmonious at this stage. I also expect Guardians to be incredibly fun, even if its purpose and fit are lacking.

My impression of Ratatouille has been tainted for 7 years. Said it before, and I’ll say it again: would have happily taken a new pavilion with no ride over it.
World showcase has enough attraction less pavilions why add more?
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
Current Test Track is a great EPCOT ride, Mission Space is too. The seas aquariums, LwtL and SSE are classics. Guardians is sure to be popular. The only thing that really needs help atp is Imagination.

World showcase has enough attraction less pavilions why add more?
I'm glad you're happy with Epcot's attraction lineup. For me, I have some gripes with it:
  • Test Track's update is aesthetically pleasing and fits Epcot perfectly, but they sapped it of personality.
  • Soarin' Around The World is something I always wanted to see, but the awkward soundtrack, transitions, CGI, and distortion ruin it.
  • Mission Space feels dated, even with the update.
  • The aquarium feels dated, even if it's large.
  • Fair enough on LwtL, SSE, and Guardians.
  • I'll even throw Epcot some points for Gran Fiesta Tour (love me some Donald) and Frozen Ever After (concept might be forced, but Maelstrom was so campy).
  • The American Adventure is impressive, but I don't feel like sitting through it every trip.
  • Impressions de France is great. Good luck watching it right before the fireworks.
  • Finally, Ratatouille. I'm excited to ride it again (it's been 7 years) but I remember it doing nothing for me.
The best part of World Showcase has always been exploring it: finding a new place to dine, interacting with different CMs, feeling the culture, etc. A new pavilion would mean more content and territory to explore, potentially bringing a new part of the world with it (e.g. Brazil or Colombia). I'm so disappointed there hasn't been a pavilion addition during my lifetime, and I'd happily trade Ratatouille for that.
 

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