ppete1975
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You realize you went after me right, then misused a term. I was just pointing out your mistakes. Once again there is an ignore button. Please hit it and ignore my posts and stop trying to be a kb warrior.
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Reflections on my time away from WDW
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bjebberger
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I offered an opinion of your post. I didn’t go after you in any way. Please explain how I went after you. You went after the original poster did you not by offering your opinion of their post. Isn’t that a double standard?
When I responded you made the choice to be offended and resort to being disrespectful by using names.
Are you the word police? Even if I misused a term so what? The point is still valid. If you look at the definition of blog it was not misused, but I gather that matters little to you.
bjebberger
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Another name. Grow up!
MickeyLuv'r
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It is policed differently. Mod's always have a tough job. There's a balance between free speech and allowing trolling.
MickeyLuv'r
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Mission: SPACE? that one is pretty bad as well.
NickMaio
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I forgot about MS........what a let down.
I have not ridden it since they re-did the windows97 animation in the space pods.
That was brutal.
MickeyLuv'r
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Personally, I find that element to be a bit cheesy at times.
I think preferring one park over the other has much to do with emotional connection, but mostly the emotional attachment we bring to the parks before we ever step foot in them.
For myself, I like both WDW and Universal. One thing I REALLY liked about Universal (pre-pandemic) was just how easy it is to tour the parks, especially with Express Pass. At WDW, getting from one park to another, or from a park to your hotel, and having to be on time for FP/ADR's is just such a hassle. Getting around Universal is just much easier in so many ways. Eating at Universal is also much easier, and I really like the offerings.
UNCgolf
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True, but Mission: SPACE specifically has a separate version in an attempt to avoid motion sickness.
Also, you wouldn't really expect a Simpsons ride to cause motion sickness.
MickeyLuv'r
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They added M:SPACE mild after a young child died.
M:S even comes with a barf bag. Do any other attractions come with a barf bag? (? I'm not sure. I can't think of any at the moment.)
On top of that, it is boring and lame.
(Mind, I'm not saying Simpsons is a great ride. It isn't. The show has been on the air since 1989, so they had plenty of material to mine, but the ride is terrible.)
Then again, you'd think it would be possible to create a fun ride about a mission to Mars. Tom mentioned being in the story, but riders really aren't. Nothing really happens. We're supposed t be wowed by the sensation of blasting off, and pushing a button that doesn't do anything. To me, it is like being talked down to. To me, that's worse than just watching a story. Either put me in the story or don't, but don't tell me I'm in it when I'm not really in it.
and Disney should have known better. They already made and already CLOSED the original Mission to Mars/Rocket to the Moon/Flight to the Moon attraction, because it wasn't exciting enough.
Mind, it's okay if you feel differently, but objectively, if we're going to say Universal has some misses, Disney also has some notable ones.
UNCgolf
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Oh, I'm not a fan of Mission: SPACE. It would be hard for me to like it even if it was a good ride because it replaced Horizons, but I don't think it's good.
My point was simply that the Simpsons ride causes motion sickness in people that never get it on any other rides. I know someone who has been on Mission: SPACE and basically all of the biggest roller coasters in the country without ever getting sick (he'd actually never had motion sickness before in his life) but had to go back to the hotel and lay down for an hour after riding Simpsons, and I've read numerous similar stories. It's actually kind of bizarre. And since it's a Simpsons ride, most people aren't going into it expecting it to cause motion sickness.
Tom Morrow
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Which element?
For what it's worth, before I moved to Orlando, my family and I grew up taking annual or bi-annual trips to Orlando, and we almost always included Universal, including our very first trip. Universal has never resonated with me on the same level that Disney did, even as a kid, even on our very first visit. This is subjective, of course, but for me my preference for WDW is not simply rooted in wanting to relive my childhood visits because if it were, I would feel the same about Universal if it had impacted me the same way.
Minnesota disney fan
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OP, I meant to thank you for all the disney/universal/seaworld info. We will definitely stay away from the latter 2 and only go to disneyland. Thanks for the homeless mention too. That would have scared me because I'm not used to seeing that.
Also the mention of Joshua Tree park and Kings Canyon/Sequoia sounds like a great area to visit. We like going to state parks and natural sights. It will be our first time to California, and I hope the Covid virus clears up by sometime next fall, so we can experience it all. My husband lived in the mountains of San Jose when he was little, but doesn't remember too much about it. So it will be all new to him too
It's so nice when the people on here take the time to help others, and I thank you again
MickeyLuv'r
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Fair enough.
MickeyLuv'r
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The element of putting us in the action of the story, but not really. I'm not quite sure how to express via a forum post, but the idea that us- passive riders - have somehow helped to find nemo, or done something heroic to save the day, when actually we've just been sitting on our butts for 3+ minutes. We didn't actually fight a dragon. Oh, a really dumb one was the bit about saving the fake baby elephant. I'm so glad they retired that stupid part of the safari! (Mind, it is great to talk/educate about wildlife conservation. )
I also think the bird show is better without the stupid tour guide character bit. The part of the show where we were supposedly helping - I think his name was Joe- get over his fear of birds. It was just so fake and canned and cheesy.
Your longer paragraph actually helps explain my point. Though again, what I was trying to express is perhaps a little too complicated for a simple forum post. IMO, early Universal - especially - very much lacked the magical quality that WDW had during that same time period. I'd certainly say it has evolved. Early on, Universal was too over-the-top. their water ride was too wet, their Cat-in-the-Hat ride was way too spinney/intense, plus a bit creepy.
but what I was really alluding to was the feelings we bring to the parks before we ever set foot in them. Before we ever set foot in WDW, most WDWlovers already have an emotional attachment to the Disney characters through the movies/animation. It isn't so much wanting to relive your childhood, as much as it is the tears we shed watching Bambi's mother get killed, or the pull of Wishing Upon a Dream. The Wishes fireworks show did a fantastic job of tapping into all the Disney emotions we carry from the films. The classic Disney movies and cartoons just did a fantastic job of real storytelling. There are some documentaries about Pixar that explain what I mean. Nemo wouldn't be good if Nemo's mom didn't die.
IMO, Universal only really finally hit upon the same kind of emotional element was when they added Harry Potter, especially Diagon Alley. It just feels like we are stepping into the movie or a lace where magic is real. IMO, that's where the new Star Wars land misses the mark. I can't quite put my finger on why I didn't react on that emotional level. It just doesn't capture the magical feel of Star Wars.
Universal isn't WDW, but some of their attractions, IMO, are excellent. Universal stopped trying to be always over-the-top, and now pay more attention to story and details. The staff also - at least pre-pandemic- also made a big effort to deliver great customer service.
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I agree with your last sentence. And I love both Disney and Star Wars. I even tolerate the sequels quite well. It seems I’d be the target audience. But it was a swing and a miss for me.
Tom Morrow
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Some clarification might be needed. By “the action is happening to you”, what I’m referring to is never on Disney’s screen rides are you sitting and watching an action scene. You are always the main action. For instance, Transformers, Gringotts, Kong, and Fast and Furious all heavily rely on moments where you sit and watch a scene or fight. Gringotts shuffle you from scene to scene rather than letting you just have a wild ride on the cart system. Kong parks you as you watch monsters fight. Transformers pauses several times so we can watch the giant robots fight. Fast and Furious parks us so we can watch a “party” get busted, in what is probably the worst scene in theme park ride history.
These moments are not engaging to the rider, and Disney smartly avoids them. My big fear with the new Mario Kart ride is that we won’t complete a race and will instead have to save Peach or something with several pauses in the action. I don’t want that. I want to race.
PolynesianPrincess
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Actually since you seem to like to correct others, I'll go ahead and correct an incorrect statement of yours. On blogs you CAN post replies and messages as a visitor. FYI smartguy
MickeyLuv'r
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I too, found the newer movies mostly decent. A good story has to be more than special effects. We need to feel an emotional connection.
MickeyLuv'r
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I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure I entirely agree. I don't ever actually feel like I'm controlling anything on Soarin' or Star Tours. I feel like I'm watching mostly random scenes pass by.
But this is all fairly subjective. In some ways, I agree with OP that Universal isn't quite as immersive as WDW, but the newer parts of the park are better than the older parts of the park were in the past.
For me, Universal also delivers in other ways I appreciate - though I haven't visited since March. I like being able to tour without having to plan, and without having to worry about getting to a specific place at a specific time via an inconsistent transportation system. I like that the rare times I make a dining reservation at Universal, the staff honors that dining reservation. They don't make us wait half an hour past our reserved time to be seated, but mostly we don't even need to make dining reservations. We just walk in whenever we want to eat, and they seat us within a short amount of time. I like that Royal Pacific is a short walk to both parks, especially when OP says Caribbean Beach is the same price, especially if OP will be using the CBR buses to get around. I much prefer RP to CBR. (To be fair though, I did like Gran Destino's Club Level.) I haven't eaten in CBR in quite some time, but the last time I ate at CSR's Pepper Market, it was terrible. RP's Orchid Lounge offers excellent sushi, or did in 2019.
Who knows what October will look like though! Hopefully, everything will be much improved!
jaklgreen
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I don't agree with what you are saying that people "love the kool-aid". That is a dismissive statement basically calling someone an idiot. I totally get going to a Disney forum and discussing what changes or events that you don't like, or what you would like to see. But to come to a Disney fan site just to tell everyone how horrible, overpriced, lack of services, whatever, Disney is just does not make sense. As others have posted, I am not a fan of Vegas, but I don't troll the Vegas fan sites just to tell everyone how horrible I think it is. What purpose does that serve? Frankly, I don't think that there is a comparison with WDW and US. They have different fan bases that they cater to which is completely fine. But the comparisons need to stop. If you like US, then go. No need to come and bash WDW to do so.