Disney Analyst
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My only point is stuff happens. No production/entity is immune. As more and more tech is introduced, more and more likely things can break.
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News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious
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My only point is stuff happens. No production/entity is immune. As more and more tech is introduced, more and more likely things can break.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Yeah - and that's why "KISS" is a thing and practical people like Bob Gurr and his generation would consider 'SHOULD' we do this, not 'if we can do this'. Building elegant reliable systems is actually part of the engineering design and what makes some better than others.
If you build a big brittle system... that is still on the designer.
EPCOT was known for it's boldness in pushing these concepts of what could be done reliably and at scale. They didn't always get it right, and many took a large number of revisions to nail it. But they generally didn't just say "oh well, stuff breaks" and turn them off. Not every concept can be saved, but no engineer is dismissive of the need for reliability as a requirement.
Disney Analyst
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I do understand there have been attraction issues, specifically at WDW. But I’ve found the nighttime entertainment teams generally have been consistent. Which is why I’m less concerned with this show breaking and never being fixed.
World of Color had a mega failure, and they fixed it right away (it just took a long time to fix as it was a huge issue).
ETA:
do we think the WOC screw up scared TDO?
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Amused to Death
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Too bad Disney doesn't employ TSO's road crew. They can put up a show inside of 5-6 hours. No "Mistake on the Lake" when everything goes neatly back in the box from which it came.
HuffsAhoy
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Although Reflections of Earth was my favorite fireworks show, I was looking forward to Harmonious after seeing the abysmal dumpster fire that is Epcot Forever. However, that excitement continues to die with each hardware update we get on this show. Don't get me wrong, I believe bigger is always better, but in this case Disney hit a big foul ball. I guess for me, I'm less upset about the sightlines as I am about the fact there does not appear to be any wow factor.
Of course with ROE, we saw all the hardware before the show began, but not what and how it was going to entertain us. Newbies had no clue that the Earth Barge opened into a lotus blossom at the end of the show because that mechanism was never revealed onstage. With Harmonious, granted we have seen little of the effects, there doesn't appear to be anything to discover. We will soon know how the fountains look, we know how the arms rise and fall on the tacos, and really and truly the lighting on the barges is nothing groundbreaking. This show really had the chance to take the Epcot lagoon shows, which have always been the best at WDW, to a new level; but it looks more and more like they went for quantity over quality.
Of course with ROE, we saw all the hardware before the show began, but not what and how it was going to entertain us. Newbies had no clue that the Earth Barge opened into a lotus blossom at the end of the show because that mechanism was never revealed onstage. With Harmonious, granted we have seen little of the effects, there doesn't appear to be anything to discover. We will soon know how the fountains look, we know how the arms rise and fall on the tacos, and really and truly the lighting on the barges is nothing groundbreaking. This show really had the chance to take the Epcot lagoon shows, which have always been the best at WDW, to a new level; but it looks more and more like they went for quantity over quality.
I think they meant to say "millstone."“... a new milestone.” A new milestone in what?
Communicora
Premium Member
I was already disappointed and underwhelmed when they previewed the content of the show. The infrastructure for it is just the icing on the cake. It's hard for me to even attempt to understand what they were thinking.
Movielover
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You assumed that they were thinking.. That’s adorable lol
More Disney, more relevant. Something like that ....
Inspired Figment
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Flawed thinking is more accurate. The problem is they had no thought in regards to original integrity, intention, & spirit of EPCOT when planning this thing out. EPCOT Forever was a subtle screw you to the fans who could easily point that out. Hence why it directly quotes the current Imagination ride (which in-itself is a FU to the fans of the original attraction, portraying Figment and his Friends as an interference that make a big stink, turn plans upside down, and put current WDI & management on blast ) and uses “One Little Spark” as a narrative to lead to “A Whole New World” of Movie Tie-Ins everywhere. Oh yeah.. they ‘knew’ what they were doing... just sad.You assumed that they were thinking.. That’s adorable lol
And this Harmonious monstrosity they’re pulling now is just the icing on the cake in regards to the disrespect & disdain they have for the fans & original vision of EPCOT Center
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Movielover
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I actually really like Epcot Forever... but to each their own.
Inspired Figment
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I personally enjoyed it from an average viewpoint, had it not been ruined by the “Whole New World” ending. I believe it was intentional though and that’s what particularly ticks me off.I actually really like Epcot Forever... but to each their own.
Inspired Figment
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You thought that recent tweet by that imagineer showed the disdain most of the current organization holds for the original vision, integrity, spirit & fans of the original park? Think again.. it’s more prevalent than you realize.. and it’s upsetting.
Granted, I can forgive the guy and commend the effort to retract his statement after realizing in hindsight that it wasn’t a good idea. But the point still stands, this has been an ongoing problem for far too long.
Granted, I can forgive the guy and commend the effort to retract his statement after realizing in hindsight that it wasn’t a good idea. But the point still stands, this has been an ongoing problem for far too long.
TTA94
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I actually really like Epcot Forever... but to each their own.
Not to go off subject but I can’t believe it’s been almost a full year with not only no EF but no fireworks at all. Unfortunately it seems we are going to surpass that year.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Old show brings out cutting edge lasers and show controls... hides them inside the pavilions and in obscure low profile bunkers hidden in natural looking landscape.. and invest huge dollars in operations to move other elements off stage daily.
wdi 2020 says... i got you!
wdi 2020 says... i got you!
Animaniac93-98
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The ring is the one thing not symmetrical/centered in this picture and it's driving me nuts lol.
Creathir
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Sorry, I should have grabbed one.
Amused to Death
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I wasn't being serious. Perhaps you missed the
at the end.Thanks, now it is bugging me also. The picture looks to have been taken from the center of the main walkway. Must not be in its final position or someone made a big placement error.