News Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[DocMcHulk]

Could it be...? Is it possible...?

 

[carnini]

maybe fixing the area around river country as it is falling apart

 

[JoeCamel]

i wouldnt be against a loop of these at all, though would be nice if it was a "new loop" rather than converting an existing one, though i know that will never happen.



its not that far from the mainland i'm sure the utilities woulnt be too big of a problem, i mean surely they could get power and water over there, yea it would require burying lines in the lake but im sure companies do that all the time otherwise no one would be able to live on any of the many islands florida has.

Glamping comes to Disney!

 

[CrescentLake]

Sorry, I should've added more context. The 32 year old bearded hipster who finally moved out of their parents house after they came to the realization that their Psychology degree isn't going to get them a $100k a year job their first year out of college and didn't feel they ever have to work at an entry level job or work their way up the ladder. Better?

Wow, what an extraordinarily ignorant post. Clearly you didn't factor in that people in the generation before millennials indoctrinated the entire generation that college was 100% absolutely necessary, and that college loans at 7-11% interest rates were normal, and that even though mom and dad each made less than $70,000 a year and had four kids, they could totally afford that $60,000 a year school.

It's not that they don't feel like they need to work an entry level job. It's that they are $150,000 in debt, making a $1,500 loan payment every month, unable to live on their own, unable to buy a car, unable to start their lives. We were told that paying the absurd cost of college, and joining 10 clubs, playing 2 sports, and working every single day of winter/spring/summer break counted as "paying our dues." We can't afford to pay our dues and work an entry level job. Plus, the job market is positively, completely, horrendous. So, once you find a job, don't you dare ask for a raise, don't you dare try to get ahead, because if you make any waves at all, you're fired, because there are 20 people just like you dying for a job.

So enough of this pretentious, ignorant, hating on millennials. We have it just as tough as any generation out there. And if you want to talk about it more, I would be happy to share my day to day life working a day job and taking every sort of side job I possibly can to finally move out of my parents house and start my life with my fiancée.

On topic though, I think that any sort of development on the River Country site is good. The rotting, abandoned state of that park is abhorrent. Though there are elements of Discovery Island still abandoned, at least the two major stains on property (the Legendary Years and River Country) will finally be taken care of.

 

[RandySavage]

I'd happily take an interestingly-reclaimed-by-nature River Country over any of the abhorent mid-rise hotel designs Chapek & Co. are no doubt considering. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they gleefully announce a new, taller version of Shanghai's p-o-s Toy Story Hotel for that site.

 

[flynnibus]

Disney was never a resort for the middle class. It was always aimed at those in the upper middle and above. Everyone keeps harping about ticket prices and hotel costs but leave out how family sizes have shrunk leaving a higher percentage of income available for fu

My grand parents who both were retired snowbirds loved taking their grand children... both were working class. A teacher and a car guy. But that was the 80s... you didn’t have to be upper middle class

 

[RSoxNo1]

Have we ruled out Villains Kingdom?

 

[articos]

Every time I have seen one of these it has been in preparation for something they already have plans to build..

Right.

 

[Master Yoda]

i wouldnt be against a loop of these at all, though would be nice if it was a "new loop" rather than converting an existing one, though i know that will never happen.



its not that far from the mainland i'm sure the utilities woulnt be too big of a problem, i mean surely they could get power and water over there, yea it would require burying lines in the lake but im sure companies do that all the time otherwise no one would be able to live on any of the many islands florida has.

Power and water are the least of their problems. Transportation to the island is slow. What is even worse is getting people off the island in case of an emergency. What about emergency medical care? Then there is the issue of getting daily materials to the island and all the trash off the island.

While every one of the problems is solvable, they will all come at an increased price making the profit per square foot needed to break even go up. This is why I said that I don't ever see guests setting foot on the island again unless they go ultra luxury with a price tag to match.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Don't you worry, I'm sure the bearded millenial hipster idiots will find a way to popularize/urbanize/decamperize and ultimately ruin the camping experience to fit their warped view of past through the introduction of propane powered faux campfires with composite logs to 'simulate' the 'true' camping excursion. Couple that with their mesquite grilled locally sustainable sourced sushi kebobs and roasted kale, lightly salted with kosher sea salt with a demiglaze and raspberry chutney on the side. Paired of course with an ice code Pabst Blue Ribbon, for that 'genuine' outdoorsman appearance to the other nearby campers. All the while, making sure that the song Renegade is playing softly in the background by the X Ambassadors on repeat.

Hell, I could see the people running Disney putting something together like this in an upcharged packet to sell to them. Cha-ching boys, we've got a winner!

Umadbro? I'm a millennial, haven't lived with my parents since high school, and just bought a Jayco Jay Sport 10SD. I'll be camping in it with my wife and two daughters. I also like PBR. If anybody is "ruining" camping, it's the retired people who park their Class A rigs in a seasonal spot and insist that every campground be equipped with WiFi and cable TV.

 

[rle4lunch]

Umadbro? I'm a millennial, haven't lived with my parents since high school, and just bought a Jayco Jay Sport 10SD. I'll be camping in it with my wife and two daughters. I also like PBR. If anybody is "ruining" camping, it's the retired people who park their Class A rigs in a seasonal spot and insist that every campground be equipped with WiFi and cable TV.

no reason to be mad. glad to hear you're going against the grain to your counterparts. good for you.

 

[mm121]

Power and water are the least of their problems. Transportation to the island is slow. What is even worse is getting people off the island in case of an emergency. What about emergency medical care? Then there is the issue of getting daily materials to the island and all the trash off the island.

While every one of the problems is solvable, they will all come at an increased price making the profit per square foot needed to break even go up. This is why I said that I don't ever see guests setting foot on the island again unless they go ultra luxury with a price tag to match.

but yet somehow all the stores and restaurants at the parks stay fully stocked and there isnt garbage everywhere without having to drive semi's through the middle of the park day and night, its called planning and coordination.

discovery island isnt in the middle of the atlantic ocean, its like literally right off shore, just build a supply/emergency dock somewhere inside fort wilderness

just restock it each night and have a speed boat somewhere on the lake that rcid knows about for emergency services use.

i never said build a hotel there, no its not a place to build a high rise hotel with thousands of people but a restaurant would be fine.

they use to use it for things and take people and supplies over there and as far as i know no one died due to lack of emergency access or starved.

 

[Kman101]

Umadbro? I'm a millennial, haven't lived with my parents since high school, and just bought a Jayco Jay Sport 10SD. I'll be camping in it with my wife and two daughters. I also like PBR. If anybody is "ruining" camping, it's the retired people who park their Class A rigs in a seasonal spot and insist that every campground be equipped with WiFi and cable TV.

I'm using your post as a jumping off point here, Capn' ...

The whole hate on millenials thing is ridiculous to me, why do we always have to put people in boxes and label them? I'm in my 30s but in no way consider myself a millenial. There's a massive difference between some of us and the 16 year olds obsessed with themselves and their phone and the amount of likes they can get. And I also see nothing wrong with each generation learning from each other, instead of dismissing each other as "too young and stupid" or "too old and stupid". I grew up in the 90s, I wasn't born in the 90s. I got hurt. I played in the dirt and climbed trees. I was able to go down the street and visit friends. I grew up without a cell phone. I remember the days of wishing the Disney channel were unscrambled. I didn't have a TV in my room or a cell phone out of the womb .... so let's not shove everyone under the same umbrella here.

How about gen-x not forget they paved their own way and that the adults "back then" acted the same way, resistant to change, thought you were crazy, etc. Now they think they know everything. Every generation is ultimately the same, they think they are superior and know everything. Yeah I think our work ethic leaves a bit to be desired, but not everyone is built the same and we need to learn to respect that. And age doesn't always lead to life experience ....

Sorry. It works me up, lol.

I know. We're off topic, but I wanted to say something, lol.

So, how about that River Country, eh ....

 

[Master Yoda]

but yet somehow all the stores and restaurants at the parks stay fully stocked and there isnt garbage everywhere without having to drive semi's through the middle of the park day and night, its called planning and coordination.

discovery island isnt in the middle of the atlantic ocean, its like literally right off shore, just build a supply/emergency dock somewhere inside fort wilderness

just restock it each night and have a speed boat somewhere on the lake that rcid knows about for emergency services use.

i never said build a hotel there, no its not a place to build a high rise hotel with thousands of people but a restaurant would be fine.

they use to use it for things and take people and supplies over there and as far as i know no one died due to lack of emergency access or starved.

Did I say it was impossible? If so, please show me.

It is not cost effective. You would be surprised how much crossing even a short span of water drives up the cost of literally every single thing you do. You can build a deck for about $15 a square foot. Put that deck over water and call it a dock and it now costs around $40 a square foot.

Why develop and operate minuscule piece of land where everything you do has logistical issues when you have literally thousands of acres of property at you disposal that have none of the same issues?

 

[Bender123]

Did I say it was impossible? If so, please show me.

It is not cost effective. You would be surprised how much crossing even a short span of water drives up the cost of literally every single thing you do. You can build a deck for about $15 a square foot. Put that deck over water and call it a dock and it now costs around $40 a square foot.

Why develop and operate minuscule piece of land where everything you do has logistical issues when you have literally thousands of acres of property at you disposal that have none of the same issues?

Considering the island already was used, still has power and water and has had served guests before, I doubt any of this is the reason its not being used. More likely its just not worth Disney's time and effort to use the island. Its not like its hurting anything and its not like its really useful for much beyond being an island.

Honestly, if it hadn't been Discovery/Treasure island, I doubt anybody would even notice or care about it. Just look at the islands in Seven Seas lagoon...Outside the old wave machine, there is no reason anybody has even noticed them, beyond their decorative placement.

 

[ABQ]

Considering the island already was used, still has power and water and has had served guests before, I doubt any of this is the reason its not being used. More likely its just not worth Disney's time and effort to use the island. Its not like its hurting anything and its not like its really useful for much beyond being an island.

Honestly, if it hadn't been Discovery/Treasure island, I doubt anybody would even notice or care about it. Just look at the islands in Seven Seas lagoon...Outside the old wave machine, there is no reason anybody has even noticed them, beyond their decorative placement.

Further, even if they had a desire to utilize the island again, odds are as it's been so long, even with utilities present on the land, they'd probably run into the typical, "everything must be brought up to current code" issue, raising the cost of bringing the island back online as a destination a considerable amount.

 

[djkidkaz]

Power and water are the least of their problems. Transportation to the island is slow. What is even worse is getting people off the island in case of an emergency. What about emergency medical care? Then there is the issue of getting daily materials to the island and all the trash off the island.

While every one of the problems is solvable, they will all come at an increased price making the profit per square foot needed to break even go up. This is why I said that I don't ever see guests setting foot on the island again unless they go ultra luxury with a price tag to match.

I mean they could build a walking bridge from this new area they are building at river country to the island. That way no more transportation is needed. They could also have had something similar to the poly bungalows all the way around the island or the copper creek cabins.

 

[djkidkaz]

Did I say it was impossible? If so, please show me.

It is not cost effective. You would be surprised how much crossing even a short span of water drives up the cost of literally every single thing you do. You can build a deck for about $15 a square foot. Put that deck over water and call it a dock and it now costs around $40 a square foot.

Why develop and operate minuscule piece of land where everything you do has logistical issues when you have literally thousands of acres of property at you disposal that have none of the same issues?

I think you use it over the other thousands of acres because it is unique.

 

[Master Yoda]

I think you use it over the other thousands of acres because it is unique.

Disney no longer does things just because of the cool factor. If it does not increase the bottom line, it does not get done.

 

[djkidkaz]

Disney no longer does things just because of the cool factor. If it does not increase the bottom line, it does not get done.

Oh I agree but if you rounded that island with the copper creek style cabins and had a similar price point per night I think it would definitely be worth their investment.