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Disstevefan1

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Good point…

But he was a buffoon that filmed propoganda ads of himself skiiing shirtless in the Alps…

…definitely that weirdo top gun ad vibe.

But If Florida holds a presser saying they’re gonna build a huge soccer stadium at four corners…hide your name tags and flee 😱
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Hello fellow independent.

I guess it's because I spent half of my life outside watching the US from the outside, but I've never considered the US to not be fractured. It's only in recent that those fractures became visible to the population who mostly ignored them.
That was because we lost our “glue” in the world war 2 generation and the ties the bound the country together…

They kept everything “civil”…and that doesn’t mean all positive either. A lot of awful things were maintained that have caused strife since.

But…that is the difference. Boomers are dropping the ball late in the game and I can personally vouch that Xers just are NEVER gonna step up.

God save the Queen
 

GoofGoof

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I agree with everything you said, but I’m not sure that statements made by a politician on the campaign trail are going to hold that much water in proving intent.

Let’s say RCID was going to be dismantled anyway (I know that it wasn’t, but just as a hypothetical) and that it was already set to be voted on before the Parental Rights Bill stuff.

DeSantis would still be out there touting the same lines, because it would help him politically.
I think this is the one time when campaign speech is actually pretty relevant. The case revolves around intent and so it’s difficult to argue a different intent while publicly stating the opposite in detail. He didn’t just say in campaign rallies or as a buzz phrase “taking down woke corporations”, that is general political speech which could be discounted. DeSantis called out Disney specifically and then detailed his approach and the specific actions and punishment he was going to impose in retaliation for Disney’s speech. That goes beyond just political talk, and he followed through too. Often political speech is discounted if it’s a threat vs an action taken.
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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I am serious, right now, the DeSantis district is in power. I hope the DeSantis district doesn't make too much trouble for the day to day operation of WDW as this drags along in the courts for years.

There are obvious ways they could.

I’m still not convinced anything would actually change even if DeSantis and the board win.

A few more fees, a few more hoops to jump through, ultimately Florida needs Disney to succeed though so they aren’t going to make drastic changes that will hurt the golden goose.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It is a smaller contingent by the day (at least on the gender/education front) and just like similar cycles in the past where an older, conservative group became fearful of societal trends there is a push to evade, delay or minimize those changes and it fails every time. Eventually, what was feared becomes the norm and most people realize it was no big deal.

It happened with the women's movement, it happened with civil rights, then marriage equality and it has moved on to the "scary" trans people but the story is the same every time. Go back and read the various speeches and laws written in the past to try and curb social progress and they all sound similar. It is nearly always the same arguments and each time history has proven them to be wrong.
 

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GoofGoof

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I think you grossly underestimate how many people across the US agree with Florida's political path on issues with gender, education, gun laws, etc. Just because one side yells louder doesn't mean there are more of them.

As a independent myself, I do find it all disheartening how fractured our country has become, which I blame social media/media for and irresponsible political figures.

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On a national stage though with a presidential election the will of all the people is less relevant. With the electoral college in place the will of the people in a half dozen states is what matters. The reason these extreme positions are a loser in a national election isn’t because there’s nobody that agrees with them it’s because they are not very popular in the half dozen states that matter. Look at the 2022 mid-term elections. Radical right candidates for Governor in statewide elections in PA, MI and AZ as well as Senate in GA all lost and polling showed that in a lot of cases extreme positions turned voters off. Bad candidates sunk the party’s chances
 

WDWHero

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On a national stage though with a presidential election the will of all the people is less relevant. With the electoral college in place the will of the people in a half dozen states is what matters. The reason these extreme positions are a loser in a national election isn’t because there’s nobody that agrees with them it’s because they are not very popular in the half dozen states that matter. Look at the 2022 mid-term elections. Radical right candidates for Governor in statewide elections in PA, MI and AZ as well as Senate in GA all lost and polling showed that in a lot of cases extreme positions turned voters off. Bad candidates sunk the party’s chances
Yep as long as everyone is still allowed access to voting, and people actually vote.
 

lazyboy97o

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I agree with everything you said, but I’m not sure that statements made by a politician on the campaign trail are going to hold that much water in proving intent.

Let’s say RCID was going to be dismantled anyway (I know that it wasn’t, but just as a hypothetical) and that it was already set to be voted on before the Parental Rights Bill stuff.

DeSantis would still be out there touting the same lines, because it would help him politically.
In his book DeSantis references conversations that occurred outside the context of campaigning. Discovery could reveal additional statements outside such a context. There’s also a limit on what this defense can cover as anything after the gubernatorial election means admitting to running an undeclared campaign.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
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It is a smaller contingent by the day (at least on the gender/education front) and just like similar cycles in the past where an older, conservative group became fearful of societal trends there is a push to evade, delay or minimize those changes and it fails every time. Eventually, what was feared becomes the norm and most people realize it was no big deal.

It happened with the women's movement, it happened with civil rights, then marriage equality and it has moved on to the "scary" trans people but the story is the same every time. Go back and read the various speeches and laws written in the past to try and curb social progress and they all sound similar. It is nearly always the same arguments and each time history has proven them to be wrong.
Sometimes those in power say the quiet part out loud

 

RamblinWreck

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In his book DeSantis references conversations that occurred outside the context of campaigning. Discovery could reveal additional statements outside such a context. There’s also a limit on what this defense can cover as anything after the gubernatorial election means admitting to running an undeclared campaign.
I think the conversations cited in the book will help the discovery process for sure, but I still think it’s pretty important to get some smoking gun emails/texts/etc
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
We’ll see, this feud makes me think of the videos where dogs are barking and growling at each other when they’re separated by a gate but stop the second the gate is open. It’s all for show.
Maybe so but if it was for show why pass legislation to control the monorail or sue to invalidate the development agreement and publicly talk about raising taxes on the district and working with the counties to sue Disney over their property tax appeals. This board could care less about Disney succeeding or really the economy of the state in general and certainly doesn’t care about theme park workers or local businesses. If the lawsuit fails they can and will look to harm Disney and they publicly stated they intend to use their power to influence Disney content. I don’t think it’s for show. I think they have every intention to follow through.
 

mkt

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How DeSantis accidentally handed Disney a potent weapon against him​


When the Walt Disney Co. went looking for evidence to feature in its new lawsuit against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, its lawyers found much of what they needed in DeSantis’s own recently published memoir.

Buried in Disney’s complaint against DeSantis is something surprising. Numerous quotes taken from “The Courage to be Free” appear to support the company’s central allegation: that the Republican governor improperly wielded state power to punish Disney’s speech criticizing his policies, violating the First Amendment.

Memoirs by presidential aspirants often lay out a blueprint for their coming candidacies. DeSantis’s does, too. It boasts extensively about his war on Disney to advertise how he would marshal the powers of the presidency against so-called woke elites.

Disney’s lawsuit cites exactly these passages. DeSantis — who signed a law taking control of Disney’s special self-governing district, and moved to nullify the company’s efforts to work around it — repeatedly flaunts the truth: These were retaliation against Disney for opposing his “don’t say gay” law limiting classroom discussion of sex and gender.

  • DeSantis’s book brags about his rapid mobilization of the state legislature to target Disney’s tax district. The same passage declares that this happened because of the company’s “support of indoctrinating young schoolchildren in woke gender identity politics.” That admits to retribution against speech opposing his legislation.
  • The book rips Disney for vowing to work to repeal the governor’s law, describing this as “a frontal assault” on it. That, too, is a description of political speech. Yet the book menacingly declares that, after this, “things got worse for Disney,” and that it would “soon find out” the truth about Florida’s war with Disney, i.e., the state would punish that speech.
  • The book describes DeSantis’s discussions with Republicans in the Florida legislature about whether they were prepared to tackle the “thorny issue involving the state’s most powerful company.” That confirms Disney was the unique target of legislative action.
  • In a companion to the book’s launch, DeSantis wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed that explicitly discussed governmental actions against Disney as an effort to “fight back” against its “woke ideology,” which is to say, its political speech.
This is unusual, says Scott Wilkens, senior counsel at the Knight First Amendment Institute. In such lawsuits, Wilkens notes, you “often have to make inferences” about the motives driving government officials.


That makes DeSantis’s admissions remarkable. “You have pretty clear statements from Governor DeSantis that he is seeking to punish a corporation for its speech,” Wilkens told me. “That’s prohibited by the First Amendment.”

On that basis and others, Disney is asking the courts to halt DeSantis’s assault. To get around the obvious First Amendment problem, DeSantis insists his moves were legitimate because they targeted special Disney privileges originally created by government.
But that doesn’t justify the revocation of those privileges specifically as retaliation for speech, as David French argues in the New York Times. French notes that Disney’s case is strong and raises serious First Amendment questions in spite of government’s role in initially creating its unique arrangement. (Note: Most liberals don’t think Disney deserves these privileges, just that government shouldn’t nix them to chill its speech.)


Which points to another way DeSantis might have undermined himself. Because Disney’s case is real, it will likely end up in discovery, says Lee Kovarsky, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin. That could yield damaging internal communications that undercut DeSantis’s excuse that this was just about revoking Disney’s special privileges in the name of good governance.

“Discovery will probably show that the real reason was viewpoint motivated,” Kovarsky told me, adding dryly: “I doubt it will show that this was a principled business response to Disney’s long-standing governance carveout.”
DeSantis and his advisers had good reason to calculate that boasting about his war on “woke Disney” would be a winner. Only a year ago this did look like formidable politics. But since then, a string of DeSantis’s staged uses of state power against assorted woke and liberal enemies have flopped.

The governor chartered planes to transport unsuspecting migrants from Texas to liberal Martha’s Vineyard. But investigative reporting revealed the scheme as almost a political version of an opera buffa, and he hasn’t chartered another one since.

Meanwhile, as The Post reports, the voter fraud police that DeSantis created to great fanfare have struggled to find anything real. Their targets have suffered serious life consequences, mainly demonstrating arbitrary cruelty.
All of this shows how hollow these right-wing theatrical exercises have become. When you start with the thrills you hope to inspire in the Fox News audience and build policy around that, the results tend to collapse once the lack of a real policy rationale becomes widely understood. If quotes from DeSantis’s own memoir lead to another such implosion, it would represent a spectacular and richly deserved form of political justice.
 

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