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[LAKid53]

Because the same holds true for Department secretaries and any other appointed office requiring confirmation. They immediately assume their role until confirmation in regular session. I would say 99.99% are confirmed. I don't know off the top of my head those not confirmed but there's probably somebody out there.

Precisely.

 

[castlecake2.0]

What’s the next step after the board says the agreement is void? Is it automatically void or does something more have to happen?

 

[GoofGoof]

What’s the next step after the board says the agreement is void? Is it automatically void or does something more have to happen?

Under current law the board has no legal authority to declare the contract void. It’s just for show at this point. If/when the legislature passes the bill that allows local governments to go back and void previously executed development agreements then the board will have the legal authority to void the contract.….at least until that bill is challenged. I think the court battle could end up being over that bill and whether it’s constitutional.

 

[Brian]

What’s the next step after the board says the agreement is void?

They're not going to say it. They'll declare it.

It's called the Michael Scott strategy. It's legally bulletproof.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Random monorail shutdowns would most impact those staying at the most expensive WDW hotels, also known as those guests who spend the most, and pay the most taxes, when visiting Florida.

The stupidity never ends.

 

[Brian]

Random monorail shutdowns would most impact those staying at the most expensive WDW hotels, also known as those guests who spend the most, and pay the most taxes, when visiting Florida.

The stupidity never ends.

This assumes the front line state workers would be acting in bad faith, which I think is a bit unfair. Most state workers, especially the front liners, are not partisans and just want to make an honest living like those in the private sector.

Sure, they take orders from partisans higher up in the org chart, but to assume that they will all just acquiesce and not blow the whistle, and inspectors will descend on WDW and just randomly shutdown the monorails just to own the libs is a bit much.

Assuming the inspectors act in good faith, I'd say it's a good thing if there are shutdowns of the monorail system. It means there are safety concerns being identified which would (presumably) otherwise go unaddressed.

 

[mikejs78]

I'd say it's a good thing if there are shutdowns of the monorail system

The proposed law says that there will be shutdowns to *conduct* the inspections. That means that even an inspector operating in good faith, if they are told to shut down the monorail for 3 weeks to conduct the inspection else they will lose their jobs - is that going to be refused on principle by most inspectors? This governor has made it obvious that he will terminate people who aren't lockstep with him.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

This assumes the front line state workers would be acting in bad faith, which I think is a bit unfair. Most state workers, especially the front liners, are not partisans and just want to make an honest living like those in the private sector.

Sure, they take orders from partisans higher up in the org chart, but to assume that they will all just acquiesce and not blow the whistle, and inspectors will descend on WDW and just randomly shutdown the monorails just to own the libs is a bit much.

Assuming the inspectors act in good faith, I'd say it's a good thing if there are shutdowns of the monorail system. It means there are safety concerns being identified which would (presumably) otherwise go unaddressed.

What moment in this entire saga suggests this will be done for legitimate reasons in a reasonable manner?

 

[Brian]

The proposed law says that there will be shutdowns to *conduct* the inspections. That means that even an inspector operating in good faith, if they are told to shut down the monorail for 3 weeks to conduct the inspection else they will lose their jobs - is that going to be refused on principle by most inspectors? This governor has made it obvious that he will terminate people who aren't lockstep with him.

I don't know of many examples of heavy machinery that can be safely inspected without shutting them down first. If an inspector is acting in good faith, they will keep the system down only as long as it takes to conduct the inspection.

Orders to conduct an inspection for any specific and minimum period of time would come from a partisan, and would almost certainly be widely reported by the media, thus presenting Disney with yet another opportunity to seek redress in court.

 

[JAB]

Random monorail shutdowns would most impact those staying at the most expensive WDW hotels, also known as those guests who spend the most, and pay the most taxes, when visiting Florida.

The stupidity never ends.

I have to wonder if they have no clue at all about WDW transportation and think that shutting down the monorail would shut down the parks because they assume it's the only way to get certain places, and they have no idea that there's alternate options - ferry boats from the TTC, walking paths for Contempo, GF, and Poly (and that there are also ferry docks for those resorts that they could put back into use if needed), and buses from MK to Epcot.

Reminds me of the "protestors" who thought that "no one can go to Disney World" because they blocked the back way into Disney Springs with their trucks, assuming that the Walt Disney World sign meant it was the main (and only) entrance to the resort.

 

[Brian]

What moment in this entire saga suggests this will be done for legitimate reasons in a reasonable manner?

Touché. Until now, DeSantis' plans have not relied upon front line state workers, only elected officials and political appointees. You're introducing a group of people into the mix who are generally not partisans, and who punch in every day to provide for their families. These same people would also be liable to blow the whistle, either publicly or through government channels, if they are asked to do anything unscrupulous.

 

[JAB]

Touché. Until now, DeSantis' plans have not relied upon front line state workers, only elected officials and political appointees. You're introducing a group of people into the mix who are generally not partisans, and who punch in every day to provide for their families. These same people would also be liable to blow the whistle, either publicly or through government channels, if they are asked to do anything unscrupulous.

What's there to keep the board from saying Disney has to shut down the monorail for "safety reasons" until it's inspected, and then just not sending an inspector for a month? I don't know if they can actually do that, but if they can/do, it's out of the hands of the frontline inspectors regardless of how upstanding they might be.

 

[Brian]

What's there to keep the board from saying Disney has to shut down the monorail for "safety reasons" until it's inspected, and then just not sending an inspector for a month? I don't know if they can actually do that, but if they can/do, it's out of the hands of the frontline inspectors regardless of how upstanding they might be.

FDOT would be responsible for the inspections, not CFTOD. Even if CFTOD had the authority to shut down the monorail, which I don't believe they do, what you're describing would rely on FDOT then purposefully delaying the inspection.

Yet another reason for Disney to reach into their very deep pockets, suit up their army of lawyers, and file a lawsuit. There should be plenty of easily accessible evidence of collusion, in that case.

 

[JAB]

FDOT would be responsible for the inspections, not CFTOD. Even if CFTOD had the authority to shut down the monorail, which I don't believe they do, what you're describing would rely on FDOT then purposefully delaying the inspection.

Yet another reason for Disney to reach into their very deep pockets, suit up their army of lawyers, and file a lawsuit. There should be plenty of easily accessible evidence of collusion, in that case.

My mistake. Not as in-the-pocket as the district board, but it's still a government body that could potentially drag out inspections if pressured by the governor. Although I hope you're right that such an action would give Disney cause for legal grievance.

 

[LAKid53]

The proposed law says that there will be shutdowns to *conduct* the inspections. That means that even an inspector operating in good faith, if they are told to shut down the monorail for 3 weeks to conduct the inspection else they will lose their jobs - is that going to be refused on principle by most inspectors? This governor has made it obvious that he will terminate people who aren't lockstep with him.

Those front-line inspectors will be Career Services employees and thus not easy to fire. Must likely in a bargaining unit, so they've got grievance rights the entire process.

 

[LAKid53]

I have to wonder if they have no clue at all about WDW transportation and think that shutting down the monorail would shut down the parks because they assume it's the only way to get certain places, and they have no idea that there's alternate options - ferry boats from the TTC, walking paths for Contempo, GF, and Poly (and that there are also ferry docks for those resorts that they could put back into use if needed), and buses from MK to Epcot.

Reminds me of the "protestors" who thought that "no one can go to Disney World" because they blocked the back way into Disney Springs with their trucks, assuming that the Walt Disney World sign meant it was the main (and only) entrance to the resort.

When the monorail isn't operating, buses will be.

 

[Patcheslee]

Granted, the word transportation is there, but this is written vague enough and lacks a definition of what transport is in the context of this new rule that I could potentially see CFTOD goons... sorry, "FDOT Regulators" shutting down attractions that are on rails because they technically do transport you between locations.

I think it could be argued attractions wouldn't fall under this because conveyance means transporting someone from one place to another. Railroads, monorail, Skyliner are the only ones.

 

[Patcheslee]

I have to wonder if they have no clue at all about WDW transportation and think that shutting down the monorail would shut down the parks because they assume it's the only way to get certain places, and they have no idea that there's alternate options - ferry boats from the TTC, walking paths for Contempo, GF, and Poly (and that there are also ferry docks for those resorts that they could put back into use if needed), and buses from MK to Epcot.

Reminds me of the "protestors" who thought that "no one can go to Disney World" because they blocked the back way into Disney Springs with their trucks, assuming that the Walt Disney World sign meant it was the main (and only) entrance to the resort.

Boats aren't part of FDOT jurisdiction, so have to keep an eye out for filings for those as well.

 

[mkt]

I think it could be argued attractions wouldn't fall under this because conveyance means transporting someone from one place to another. Railroads, monorail, Skyliner are the only ones.

They’re transporting you from load to unload. I know how stupid that sounds, but some true believer will see that as reasoning enough to shut down a major attraction on a busy day to hurt Disney.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't know of many examples of heavy machinery that can be safely inspected without shutting them down first. If an inspector is acting in good faith, they will keep the system down only as long as it takes to conduct the inspection.

Orders to conduct an inspection for any specific and minimum period of time would come from a partisan, and would almost certainly be widely reported by the media, thus presenting Disney with yet another opportunity to seek redress in court.

Which is why they usually are done during off hours. Specifically adding language that allows shutting down daily operations is part of the threat. If you send a team that works during the day and tell them to get it done then they have to go get it done.