News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mkt]

Cackalacky Disneyland? (hardly)

‘Mickey’s Freedom’ act urges Disney World to move to North Carolina

North Carolina Democrats want to take advantage of the bad blood between Disney and the state by enticing Walt Disney World to relocate to the Tarheel State.

www.orlandosentinel.com

‘Mickey’s Freedom’ act urges Disney World to move to North Carolina –…

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[JoeCamel]

Can you be a little more specific? I drive through there daily and I’m blanking at what you’re referring to. I’m not aware of an extension of the existing solar farm, just a lot of utility work, road widening, and housing development.

If driving north on Hartzog past the hotels, on the left side of the road. Before Hartzog curves and meets Avalon at Four Corners.

It is water from the treatment plant. They spray it so it soaks in or evaporates

 

[Lilofan]

And about that affordable housing -

Walt Disney World expands its Affordable and Attainable Housing project and announces planned completion date

Walt Disney World expands its Affordable and Attainable Housing project and announces planned completion date

www.wdwmagic.com

Under Eisner, Celebration FL was built in the southern part of the Reedy Creek Improvement District land. The first 350 homes and 123 apts residents were chosen by lottery to prevent racial discrimination. I'm thinking that the future affordable housing at WDW will be chosen by lottery also.

 

[LAKid53]

Ah got it; didn't realize there was a state agency in the mix. So basically, if somehow RCID didn't actually mail notices to *all* landowners, then it will come down to a legal battle over whether any objecting landowners are considered "affected."

The statute says "affected landowners". But the statute also says "before the first public hearing", which would be the January 2023 hearing.

 

[LAKid53]

It is water from the treatment plant. They spray it so it soaks in or evaporates

Which explains that spot. I'm referring to the others.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don’t buy those arguments. “Affected property owners” is generally understood to be property owners adjacent to the property subject to the development agreement or relatively close by (within 300 feet).

The property owners don’t necessarily have to live there. And could even be property owners outside the boundaries of the district. There are several properties owned by other entities that are adjacent to Disney and RCID land including the Florida Department of Transportation (who would obviously be willing to sue).

Disney had a golden opportunity here and it seems they took their shot and missed just like DeSantis on his first and second round.

To say that I’m profoundly disappointed would be a gross understatement.

I truly hope something comes to light to explain how or why this happened, but as I see it now things do not look good at all for the development agreement.

If you look at the maps of the district land holdings you’ll see that there is a small amount that runs along the district’s border creating a buffer. That reduced the amount of property within the 300’ zone.

Even if they did need to send notice to these neighboring parties, they still need some harm for standing. Most zoning disputes arise out of changes, not maintaining the status quo. So the district needs to find an affected land owner who feels they would be harmed by things remaining as they were for over a decade. And since the Comprehensive Plan is relatively new, that they didn’t object during that public process throws the sincerity of their concerns in doubt. This whole ordeal has also now been even more publicized and they still haven’t come forward. That’s a unicorn they’re searching for, an adjacent property owner who in the past year realized that the status quo is a potential harm, has missed the national news coverage but definitely would have responded promptly to a mailed notice. They needed somewhere there today taking about how Walt Disney World still being Walt Disney World was going to be a harm to them as an adjacent landowner.

There’s also the possibility that the existing agreements and covenants with the other land owners in the district limit their being affected.

Last, there is still the original charter and its rules regarding the conduct of the Board of Supervisors.

 

[Chi84]

If you look at the maps of the district land holdings you’ll see that there is a small amount that runs along the district’s border creating a buffer. That reduced the amount of property within the 300’ zone.

Even if they did need to send notice to these neighboring parties, they still need some harm for standing. Most zoning disputes arise out of changes, not maintaining the status quo. So the district needs to find an affected land owner who feels they would be harmed by things remaining as they were for over a decade. And since the Comprehensive Plan is relatively new, that they didn’t object during that public process throws the sincerity of their concerns in doubt. This whole ordeal has also now been even more publicized and they still haven’t come forward. That’s a unicorn they’re searching for, an adjacent property owner who in the past year realized that the status quo is a potential harm, has missed the national news coverage but definitely would have responded promptly to a mailed notice. They needed somewhere there today taking about how Walt Disney World still being Walt Disney World was going to be a harm to them as an adjacent landowner.

There’s also the possibility that the existing agreements and covenants with the other land owners in the district limit their being affected.

Last, there is still the original charter and its rules regarding the conduct of the Board of Supervisors.

I think we just don't know nearly enough to speculate on the effect of any procedural defects in this case.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The original premise is businesses need to stay out of politics and none of this would happen. It’s not smart business.

Name 1 major business that has stayed out of politics?

 

[Heath]

Not even close. In your case it would be like you saying you don't like paying taxes (as your post made clear), and as a result they punish you with more taxes and the loss of ability to do what you want with your property, while at the same time making you pay for an investigation. against you.

What Disney did was speak against the governor, who is the HEAD of government in the state of Florida, due to legislation that they didn't like. And as a result, by exercising their constitutionally protected right to free speech, the governor took action specifically against them.

Oh, and political activists ARE stockholders. As a shareholder I'm plenty happy to see Disney take a stand for what's right.

Politely my example is simply saying “just stay out of politics to avoid business problems.” You are correct Disney exercised their right to speak against the state, and their right to back legislatures against the majority’s agenda…which turned out to be a horrible business decision. While I wouldn’t want to invest in anything against my principles, I only buy stocks for profit. I donate to activism, don’t invest in it.

 

[peter11435]

Here's who the statute defines as "aggrieved".

Theoretically, as a property owner close enough to be environmentally impacted by acts of the District, I could sue.

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by that standard everyone from RCID down through the Everglades would need to be notified.

 

[LAKid53]

by that standard everyone from RCID down through the Everglades would need to be notified.

It would be a stretch to consider those living in Dade City would be impacted. I'm 200 yards from RCID.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

While I wouldn’t want to invest in anything against my principles, I only buy stocks for profit.

Who have you invested in? And last I checked Disney is still very much profitable.

 

[Heath]

If I could name 1 or 100, which I cannot, it doesn’t change the premise it’s smart business to avoid sensitive political land mines. Disney chose to back opposing legislatures, and they are reaping what they have sown. I feel like the topic is going in endless circles based on the premise of Disney good, Governor bad. Or vice versa. If your premise is Disney could not avoid the scenario, I politely disagree.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Florida DOT is a landowner in the district. Rest assured, they would object.

Why haven’t they? And what would be the potential harm?

That’s without getting into the issues of the state executive branch now meddling with local legislative issues.

 

[JAB]

The statute says "affected landowners". But the statute also says "before the first public hearing", which would be the January 2023 hearing.

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Not sure what you mean. Why does the mailing deadline matter if they didn't mail the notices? I'm not saying they didn't, just considering "if."

 

[James Alucobond]

... and they are reaping what they have sown.

So ... you sow protected speech in defense of your employees and reap unlawful government retaliation? Not sure that's how it's supposed to work, and I've no idea how anyone could support it. I suppose if your tax assessor catches wind of your complaints about how much you pay in taxes here, you'll be reaping what you've sown when he triples your rate.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It would be a stretch to consider those living in Dade City would be impacted. I'm 200 yards from RCID.

Look at a map of the Florida water management districts. The South Florida Water Management District noodles up the middle of the state for a reason, because systems like Reedy Creek are part of the Everglades hydrological system.

 

[Patcheslee]

So they get rid of the planning board, elect themselves, then: appoint a single person to research and recommend an urban planning firm. The idea of 2 board members was tossed because... the meetings between them would have to be public.

 

[peter11435]

It would be a stretch to consider those living in Dade City would be impacted. I'm 200 yards from RCID.

You said property owners close enough to be environmentally impacted. People living in Dade county are environmentally impacted by development in the district. That’s why the SMWMD looks like this.

 

[Chi84]

I cannot. I also can’t name a single person who has never drunk Coke, eaten bacon, or stepped in a big pile of . But I know it’s best to avoid it.

You believe Disney did what they think is moral, but not what the formidable opposing side thought was moral. (Including me. ) So again, if they think their strategy was the best way to stand up, they now have to pay for it. It appears many Disney executives regret this stand.

What do you mean they have to pay for it? You think the government has a right to punish people for taking moral positions the government doesn’t like?