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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Do we know if the governor has signed the bill yet?Good discussion, but can we please keep it a bit more focused on RCID. Thanks
flynnibus
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According to the website it doesn't look like it's been sent to the gov yet - https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=77294
JohnD
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Getting back to the topic at hand, it has to be "presented to the Governor" first. It hasn't yet. When presented, the Governor has up to 15 days to act on it. I'm checking the bill history regularly.
Bill history is here: https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=77294
JohnD
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Yeah. There is no way of knowing when. It's up to the Legislature. Presumably before regular session which begins in several weeks. Likely in the next few days.According to the website it doesn't look like it's been sent to the gov yet - https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=77294
Any idea what they're waiting for?According to the website it doesn't look like it's been sent to the gov yet - https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=77294
They made a point of setting "Effective Date: upon becoming a law".
It passed both the house and senate without any differences.
Is there some special thing now that's still needed?
When does the special session end? Looks like there's some 7 vs 15 day difference if the legislature is no longer in session while the governor is reviewing. However, same question then, what would the governor wait for?
It feels like it was rush rush rush, and not it's just sit and wait. Is there some news cycle or date they're trying to time it for?
JohnD
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The special session has ended. You reminded me about the 7 days as opposed to the 15 days. Yes, the Governor has 7 days after the ending of a session to act on a bill. 15 days to act while still in session. But only after when a bill is presented to the Governor. Last year's budget passed March 14, 2022 but wasn't presented to the Governor until June 2. From June 2, 2022, the Governor had 7 days to act on the bill.
So, while it is the Legislature that "presents" the bill to the Governor, you would be correct that the Governor and Legislature might mutually arrange when that date is. Speculation has already begun as to why. Talk amongst yourselves.
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lazyboy97o
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Today was a busy day. The decisions of private financial institutions such Partners, Disney’s credit union, need to be limited by the state.
So, did nobody present it? They went to the trouble to have a special session, make it effective immediately, and then they all just went home instead of sending it to the governor?
I think you have the number of days backwards. From the FL Senate FAQ:
Still, yes, based on when it's presented to the governor, not on when the vote happened.
So, maybe the original law dissolving districts applies to RCID and maybe it doesn't. And, it sounds like that law wasn't repealed. Bonus, the new law hasn't been signed either.
Meaning the "as-is" state of what is currently law is that RCID and bunch of other districts are going to be dissolved this summer. Probably, unless you assume it didn't apply to RCID, then just the others. If that law does apply to RCID, as was intended when passed (even if done sloppy), then actually passing this new law without anything else would only be in effect until the dissolution. Unless someone points out what in the new law (that is absolutely not creating a new district, just renaming one to avoid other issues) makes it so the dissolution clearly no longer applies.
On the one hand, without the new bill becoming a law, Disney could hold the position that the old law either didn't apply to RCID or did, depending on if they want to keep the district or not pay the extra taxes anymore.
On the other hand, assuming the new bill is turned into a law (since, otherwise special session was a huge waste), without the repeal of the dissolution, Disney could hold the position that the dissolution law applies to RCID and hence the new law is only in effect until the dissolution date. A time window that gets smaller and smaller every day the new law isn't signed.
That doesn't mean any of those will happen. Since, on the other other hand, Disney could just go along assuming everything does apply. At least until they no longer want to take that position. Just like they had full faith in Bob C right up until they no longer did.
mikejs78
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The dissolution law stated that any district would be dissolved unless their charters were updated. This bill effectively does that.
JohnD
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Yeah. I got them confused. That makes more sense. From presentation, 7 days while in session, 15 days when not in Session. No, it has not yet been "presented to the Governor". That's a formality to meet Florida Statute.
The RCID and the current law repealing it as of June 1 are still in effect until the Governor signs the replacement bill. Upon signing, it immediately becomes law (assigned a law # by the Department of State) and the replacement district immediately supercedes the RCID.
Ahhhh, thank you.
So, there's still some unknown number of other districts impacted. Some of which may get updated, some not. Caught in the side effects.
So, still sloppy.
Maybe they'll forget to send it to the governor before the first one goes into effect.
108 days. They could totally forget about it.
JohnD
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I think the other districts will be taken up during Regular Session (March 7 - May 5). They won't forget the RCID bill.Ahhhh, thank you.
So, there's still some unknown number of other districts impacted. Some of which may get updated, some not. Caught in the side effects.
So, still sloppy.
Maybe they'll forget to send it to the governor before the first one goes into effect.
108 days. They could totally forget about it.
JohnD
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This bill only applies to the RCID. The other districts will likely be taken up during regular session.
Polkadotdress
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What does this mean? They were also swept up in the legislative action?
lazyboy97o
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Different legislation to prohibit financial institutions from utilizing ESG (environmental, social and governance) criteria.
That E would be another reason why Disney would be shortsighted to not challenge changes to the District. The board of supervisors would have the power to change the source of electricity in the District. They could dismantle or sell off the solar farms (after dealing with any relevant bonds). They do something like specifically seek out coal or gas generated electricity to help support American industry. Disney’s Green strategy at Walt Disney World was very much enabled by the Reedy Creek Improvement District and a lot of that work could be undone by the District.
The bill states that the current board will remain until the Gov appoints the new board AND it is approved by the Fl Senate. The only hurry is for the gov to sign and appoint the new board before the Fl general assembly meet in March. In all likely hood the new appointed board members will be approved by Fl Senate at the March meeting. They will than be immediately in charge of the "old" Reedy Creek.
I clicked through a bunch of the tweets and other news sites referenced from the USA Today story.
It seems, they're really upset about this part of the bill analysis:
The perspective is that this is Disney getting special tax exemptions and not having to pay taxes. Reading those perspectives, I'm struck by one of two reactions. First, they're all being super disingenuous, grasping at straws to make an argument, and looking for anything that sounds bad without context to hang an argument on. Since most good lies start with a truth and then distort it. Second, and at this point, just as likely, they're all stupid and they've bought in on the entire "Disney is RCID they're the same thing" and do not understand how local government works at all.
At this point, I'm not sure which one it is. My gut says it's the first, but there's clearly lots of people where it's the second.
Dranth
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People have that perception because that is how Florida tried to frame it. They are the ones that went out there spewing absolute nonsense about how the district worked. Now that they basically left it functioning as it was and only changed who runs it, the very people they were trying to sell this to as a big win are pointing out they didn't address most of things Florida said was wrong with it to begin with.
What those people don't know, and the current state government of Florida isn't going to tell them, is that they aren't changing those things because what they told people was BS to begin with and would be an incredibly stupid idea.