News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GoofGoof]

The only statement of fact in the entire post is the first sentence. Once we get past that it delves into pure conjecture that is not based in the real world.

As far as the cost, the move was always being done to save money not cost more money. They were moving 2,000 jobs to a state with lower wages so long term they could pay less in salary and less in upkeep. The project was going to cost $1B but they were getting $600M in tax credits so net cost of $400M and the P&L impact would be spread over 30+ years so not a huge expense. The plan was always to expand the campus in the future as well so 2,000 could become a lot more jobs and again at a lower cost. If it wasn’t cheaper to move the jobs to FL there would have never been a reason to do it.

 

[JohnD]

Let's get this thread to 1,000.

 

[JohnD]

Okay, maybe this one?

 

[JohnD]

I give up. Someone else can have the honors.

 

[lewisc]

This thread will reach 1000 pages less then 2 months after it started.

Haunted Mansion has been stuck on 999 ghosts for over 50 years

 

[Figgy1]

Agreed about not wanting to be forced to move for a job. However, not everyone interprets current Florida law into being hostile for "being who they are." I know that is so very difficult for many to accept, but it is true.

Of course, if DeSantis is wrong on this calculation, Floridians will vote him out of office and into oblivion... The bad news is we just have to wait and see. And Disney is doing what they can to increase those odds.

He's term limited so he's either leaving in January 25 or 27

 

[Figgy1]

This thread will reach 1000 pages less

 

[JohnD]

I think you are missing the point. It’s not about what you or anyone else thinks. It’s about what the people asked to move think. A lot of those people are in creative positions. A larger than “the average job” percentage are gay. For CMs who are not they still do not want to see their co-workers unhappy or suffer. That’s the point. Whether other people are OK with what’s going on is not the issue and it has nothing to do with voting people out.

We have a winner!

 

[GoofGoof]

We have a winner!

It will probably get deleted….but I’m taking a screen shot as proof that I was the first post on page 1,000 before the purge

 

[flynnibus]

I would argue that moving staff to Florida and building the Lake Nona campus would be extremely expensive.

If it was knky going to cost them sonmuch - why do you believe they went forward with the idea in the first place?

When your theory starts out with ‘this makes no sense for them’… reconsider your assumptions

 

[JohnD]

It will probably get deleted….but I’m taking a screen shot as proof that I was the first post on page 1,000 before the purge

With the help of several nudges to get us there.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

He's term limited so he's either leaving in January 25 or 27

The problem is that all he has to do is sit out one term, and he can be elected to 2 more, unless the Florida constitution is changed.

 

[LAKid53]

The problem is that all he has to do is sit out one term, and he can be elected to 2 more, unless the Florida constitution is changed.

And that won't happen...

 

[Cliff]

If it was knky going to cost them sonmuch - why do you believe they went forward with the idea in the first place?

When your theory starts out with ‘this makes no sense for them’… reconsider your assumptions

Obviously...as of yesterday, Disney does NOT believe they need Lake Nona anymore. So, it seems they also think their original concept turned out to be a bad one when placed under their CURRENT economic conditions. The Lake Nona idea was created at a time that was different than it is today.

Lake Nona is dead for Disney and I think it has ZERO to do with DeSantis and everything to do with the project being hated INSIDE Disney itself and their need for money in OTHER places of the company right now. DeSantis himself or the Parental Rights bill did not kill Lake Nona.

 

[Chi84]

Obviously...as of yesterday, Disney does NOT believe they need Lake Nona anymore. So, it seems they also think their original concept turned out to be a bad one when placed under their CURRENT economic conditions. The Lake Nona idea was created at a time that was different than it is today.

Lake Nona is dead for Disney and I think it has ZERO to do with DeSantis and everything to do with the project being hated INSIDE Disney itself and their need for money in OTHER places of the company right now. DeSantis himself or the Parental Rights bill did not kill Lake Nona.

But everyone thinks he did.

 

[Fordlover]

But everyone thinks he did.

That is patently false. Many perhaps, but certainly not 'everyone'

 

[Figgy1]

But everyone thinks he did.

I'm looking at this situation like a multi-course meal. There are appetizers, soups, salads, entrees, cheese plates, and desserts, the size of each course varies but we'll never know by how much. Some courses may be a single grain of rice and some will be served on very large platters

 

[Cliff]

Can anybody answer this?

#1 - Was the Lake Nona campus concept designed as a charity "gift" to Florida or a symbolic "nice gesture" to the state?

#2 - Was Lake Nona part of a REVENUE GENERATING goal or COST SAVING goal of the company? Was it part of a "real" profit/loss BUSINESS model for Disney?

If the answer is #1,...then yes, DeSantis killed it and Disney is taking their "gift" to the state away in angry protest.

If the answer is #2...then there is NO reason why they would "not" continue to build it. If the project had REAL revenue generating or cost saving VALUE, there would be NO reason to kill it because DeSants said "mean" things about Disney.

Lake Nona would have survived SOLEY on it's own profit/loss business model

It seems to me that the Lake Nona concept never had a strong business model backing it up from day one and had no true business value.

 

[Chi84]

That is patently false. Many perhaps, but certainly not 'everyone'

Well of course it’s exaggeration! My point is that the news reports are heavily weighted toward DeSantis as the cause and he has only himself to blame for it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can anybody answer this?

#1 - Was the Lake Nona campus concept designed to as a charity "gift" to Florida or a symbolic "nice gesture" to the state?

#2 - Was Lake Nona part of a REVENUE GENERATING goal or COST SAVING goal of the company? Was it part of a "real" profit/loss BUSINESS model for Disney?

If the answer is #1,...then yes, DeSantis killed it and Disney is taking their "gift" to the state away in angry protest.

If the answer is #2...then there is NO reason why they would "not" continue to build it. If the project had REAL revenue generating or cost saving VALUE, there would be NO reason to kill it because DeSants said "mean" things about Disney.

Lake Nona would have survived SOLEY on it's own profit/loss business model

It seems to me that the Lake Nona concept never had a strong business model backing it up from day one and had no true business value.

Lake Nona is not near the Reedy Creek.