News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It is. Gallup tracks voter identification and this year it hit a record of 49% of voters identify as independent with 25% to each of the parties. The number of people actually registered independent may be smaller because nearly half the states don’t allow independents to vote in the primary. So if you live in NY as an example and you are an independent it is preferable in a lot of people’s minds to register as a democrat to have a say in their primary. Anyway, the point is independents are growing as the parties turn further to the far extremes. In the last presidential election it was independents in the 6 biggest swing states that swayed the election.
You’re talking about registration…which is true.

However the blocks of voters based on the highly studies demographics are actually solidifying and that gap is growing constantly.

There’s much less doubt on how people actually vote than pollsters want to admit…so they have been trying to figure out a way to reinterpret it and make mistakes. They’ve been way off the last few cycles.
 

MagicHappens1971

Well-Known Member
2 major changes have happened with ADRs (dining reservations)

It’s been a while now since they went from 180 day booking to 60 day.

Very recently they went from a 24hr cancellation policy to a 2 hour cancellation policy.

I think the intention was to allow more flexibility so guests are not tied to reservations that don’t jive with their day, especially when other people would like those spots. Hard to gauge anything about availability right now until this new system stabilizes.
Honestly this was a great plus for flexibility for guests, as well as decreased guests needing to visit GR for waived cancelation fees.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
Actually, this is the press he wants. This is what he wanted all along, which is why he kept poking the (Winnie the Pooh) bear.

DeSantis clearly intends to run right of Trump, so every time a liberal news outlet gives this oxygen, expect DeSantis to use this to campaign on, to raise funds.

Each time a Republican attacks him, DeSantis will say that Republican is beholden to big corporate donors.

Each time a judge rules against him (and it will happen a lot), he’ll claim he needs to be president so he can appoint conservative judges who “respect the Constitution”.

He needs this fight to keep his campaign alive, ‘cause otherwise the polls had him DOA.

DeSantis does not need to win this, only keep it alive until the Republican primary.

Ugh!
we're just in the worst timeline
 

drnilescrane

Well-Known Member
my main complaint was it kept prices artificially high, but doesn't seem they have a plan to bring them down since its gone
Prices are nuts at DLR without the DDP. They want $55 for a standard character breakfast buffet these days.

At least without the DDP we can have some variety and quality - you'd never be able to have a venue like GCH Craftsman Bar/Grill in FL, it would have to be a QSR credit.
 

Indy_UK

Well-Known Member
I know the reason the DDP hasn't come back is because Disney's old software vendor went bankrupt and their new one was taken over and fired Disney as a client... but I hope it truly is dead and buried.

The rigid stratification of snack/QSR/TSR/signature has hamstrung WDW dining for too long.

That the actual reason it hasn’t returned?
 

tallica

Well-Known Member
2 major changes have happened with ADRs (dining reservations)

It’s been a while now since they went from 180 day booking to 60 day.

Very recently they went from a 24hr cancellation policy to a 2 hour cancellation policy.

I think the intention was to allow more flexibility so guests are not tied to reservations that don’t jive with their day, especially when other people would like those spots. Hard to gauge anything about availability right now until this new system stabilizes.
Well aware of policies. Friends and family work at Disney restaurants. I get first hand knowledge. Also there is a private FB group for Disney FOH CMs. There are threads on how slow it was spring break. And you are correct about the intention, but it has backfired. Some restaurants are starting the day with 20% cancellation and not getting rebooked.
 

Vacationeer

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Well aware of policies. Friends and family work at Disney restaurants. I get first hand knowledge. Also there is a private FB group for Disney FOH CMs. There are threads on how slow it was spring break. And you are correct about the intention, but it has backfired. Some restaurants are starting the day with 20% cancellation and not getting rebooked.
I think guests aren’t quite yet accustomed to making day of ADRs. That should help high demand locations pick back up. You’re probably right that demand has softened, just hard to tell how much is to due to what. DDP definitely helped and that’s gone, and prices are likely causing some to make cuts. Personally we’ve shifted away from in park ADRs to resort dining.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
This poll is interesting, somewhat contradicts the Harvard poll.. Survey is of all adults, so that's a flag, but couple of key things from the topline:

  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports or passes laws designed to punish a company for its political, social, or cultural stances.
    • More likely: 27%
    • Less likely: 73%
  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports the free speech rights of a company, even if they disagree with what the company is saying.
    • More likely: 77%
    • Less likey: 23%
  • Which of the following statements comes closest to your view, even if neither is exactly right?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising their right to free speech: 64%
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is rightfully rolling back special treatment for Disney: 36%
  • Do you think Disney was acting within its right when it criticized the Florida law banning the discussion of sexuality and gender in public schools last year?
    • Yes: 55%
    • No: 23%
    • Don't know: 22%
  • How has your opinion of the following changed, if at all, as a result of their fight over LGBTQ+ issues in Florida?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
      • More favorable: 23%
      • Less favorable: 42%
      • No impact: 36%
    • The Walt Disney World resort
      • More favorable: 24%
      • Less favorable: 27%
      • No impact: 49%
    • The Disney Company
      • More favorable: 29%
      • Less favorable: 29%
      • No impact: 42%
The partisan breakouts are generally what you'd expect, with a majority of Republicans generally siding with DeSantis (64%), a majority of Democrats generally supporting Disney (87%) and a majority of independents also supporting Disney (67%).

I find this poll more interesting than the Harvard poll because it breaks out the issue into much more detail and cross-checks by asking a number of different questions. It still has some problems (as all polls do) but this one seems a lot less loaded language wise than the Harvard poll. For example, they don't call it a "special taxing district" while still referencing that Disney has some "legal priviledges" that were removed by DeSantis.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
This poll is interesting, somewhat contradicts the Harvard poll.. Survey is of all adults, so that's a flag, but couple of key things from the topline:

  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports or passes laws designed to punish a company for its political, social, or cultural stances.
    • More likely: 27%
    • Less likely: 73%
  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports the free speech rights of a company, even if they disagree with what the company is saying.
    • More likely: 77%
    • Less likey: 23%
  • Which of the following statements comes closest to your view, even if neither is exactly right?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising their right to free speech: 64%
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is rightfully rolling back special treatment for Disney: 36%
  • Do you think Disney was acting within its right when it criticized the Florida law banning the discussion of sexuality and gender in public schools last year?
    • Yes: 55%
    • No: 23%
    • Don't know: 22%
  • How has your opinion of the following changed, if at all, as a result of their fight over LGBTQ+ issues in Florida?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
      • More favorable: 23%
      • Less favorable: 42%
      • No impact: 36%
    • The Walt Disney World resort
      • More favorable: 24%
      • Less favorable: 27%
      • No impact: 49%
    • The Disney Company
      • More favorable: 29%
      • Less favorable: 29%
      • No impact: 42%
The partisan breakouts are generally what you'd expect, with a majority of Republicans generally siding with DeSantis (64%), a majority of Democrats generally supporting Disney (87%) and a majority of independents also supporting Disney (67%).

I find this poll more interesting than the Harvard poll because it breaks out the issue into much more detail and cross-checks by asking a number of different questions. It still has some problems (as all polls do) but this one seems a lot less loaded language wise than the Harvard poll. For example, they don't call it a "special taxing district" while still referencing that Disney has some "legal priviledges" that were removed by DeSantis.
these are way better questions
 

Chi84

Premium Member
There are multiple claims of failure... from what they voted on, to what was documented, to timelines, to changes between readings that were not discussed, to the district not even having the authority to pass what they did, etc. Lots of issues brought up today... I assume they are in the board packet but haven't tried to go through it yet.

Validity of those points is another debate...
Disney has decided to challenge the state’s actions based on violations of their constitutional rights under 4 sections of the US Constitution.

They basically reduced the 70+ pages of “Legislative findings” to “a scattershot collection of alleged contract infirmities” that were pretextual in nature and therefore insufficient to withstand a challenge based on violation of Disney’s constitutional rights.

Well-written document that is very easy to understand for anyone who is interested.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
So the previous tweet mentioned about a lawyer saying Disney has no 1A case is based on a interpretation not covered in the thread previously.



The argument is... from a case in MD https://casetext.com/case/kensington-volunteer-fire-dept-inc-v-montgomery-cnty-md where some firefighters were suing that they were targets of retailiation when the local gov took away their funding because they opposed legislation from the gov. (Sound familiar??)

The cited appeals court case found that a legislative action was immune from questioning it's motive because it's the legislature is doing it's work and was 'facially valid'. This case relied upon United States v. O'Brien where SCOTUS ruled a law outlawing destruction of draft cards was valid, even though people were destroying draft cards as a form of protest and being arrested.

But from O'Brian they establish basically a test to quantify if the regulation is actually tailored to the government need instead of just retaliation...
[W]e think it clear, that a government regulation is sufficiently justified if it is within the constitutional power of the Government; if it furthers an important or substantial governmental interest; if the governmental interest is unrelated to the suppression of free expression; and if the incidential restriction on alleged First Amendment freedoms is not greater than is essential to the furtherance of that interest

The Kensington case also highlights a difference between government action by decree of one (say.. someone acting as your boss) vs government action via legislative action. And basically saying when the action is from the legislature doing their normal duty, you can't question their motive. (my paraphrasing... you can read the opinion on your own, or the tweet's POV).

This at skin deep is very troublesome... it basically says as long as it's done via the legislative process, it can't be a 1A violation. Clearly you can't take that kind of interpretation unilaterally. One, the O'Brian case key words are that the action is constitutionally valid to start with... so it doesn't negate the idea a law itself can violate the 1A. But the distinction here in the Kensington case (and Disney) is they are talking about the motive behind the law, and if the action was retaliatory. This is what the lawyer is basing his dismissal of Disney's 1A argument over.

Now.. he's the 1A lawyer and I'm not.. but here is why I am not convinced by his conclusion.

The Kensington case doesn't universally give the legislation actions immunity, it says in that case the action was 'facially valid'. It was valid because they later elaborate how the budget change (the action in this case) actually had valid reasoning for things BESIDES just targeting the group in question. Basically.. the budget passed was arguably valid for reasons beyond the 1A retaliation claims.

But this is where I think the Disney case differs... the same arguments of why the Kensington budget moves were validated by motives BESIDES the 1A retaliation... those same kind of other "facially valid" motivations are lacking in the laws passed by the FL legislature. I believe Disney can argue in both the criteria from O'Brian and the judgement from Kensington... that the changes are in fact essentially solely retalitory and not "facially valid" for other reasons. The timelines, the statements made about why the bills were introduced, when they were introduced, the scope of them, their design vs other comparable entities/districts.. I think Disney can defeat the "facially valid" argument that would otherwise give the state's action to change RCID immunity.

What say you?
 
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Vacationeer

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
This poll is interesting, somewhat contradicts the Harvard poll.. Survey is of all adults, so that's a flag, but couple of key things from the topline:

  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports or passes laws designed to punish a company for its political, social, or cultural stances.
    • More likely: 27%
    • Less likely: 73%
  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports the free speech rights of a company, even if they disagree with what the company is saying.
    • More likely: 77%
    • Less likey: 23%
  • Which of the following statements comes closest to your view, even if neither is exactly right?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising their right to free speech: 64%
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is rightfully rolling back special treatment for Disney: 36%
  • Do you think Disney was acting within its right when it criticized the Florida law banning the discussion of sexuality and gender in public schools last year?
    • Yes: 55%
    • No: 23%
    • Don't know: 22%
  • How has your opinion of the following changed, if at all, as a result of their fight over LGBTQ+ issues in Florida?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
      • More favorable: 23%
      • Less favorable: 42%
      • No impact: 36%
    • The Walt Disney World resort
      • More favorable: 24%
      • Less favorable: 27%
      • No impact: 49%
    • The Disney Company
      • More favorable: 29%
      • Less favorable: 29%
      • No impact: 42%
The partisan breakouts are generally what you'd expect, with a majority of Republicans generally siding with DeSantis (64%), a majority of Democrats generally supporting Disney (87%) and a majority of independents also supporting Disney (67%).

I find this poll more interesting than the Harvard poll because it breaks out the issue into much more detail and cross-checks by asking a number of different questions. It still has some problems (as all polls do) but this one seems a lot less loaded language wise than the Harvard poll. For example, they don't call it a "special taxing district" while still referencing that Disney has some "legal priviledges" that were removed by DeSantis.

POLL LINK

Only 9 pages. The other one was 283 lol.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
This poll is interesting, somewhat contradicts the Harvard poll.. Survey is of all adults, so that's a flag, but couple of key things from the topline:

  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports or passes laws designed to punish a company for its political, social, or cultural stances.
    • More likely: 27%
    • Less likely: 73%
  • Are you more or less likely to support a political candidate who does the following: Supports the free speech rights of a company, even if they disagree with what the company is saying.
    • More likely: 77%
    • Less likey: 23%
  • Which of the following statements comes closest to your view, even if neither is exactly right?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising their right to free speech: 64%
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is rightfully rolling back special treatment for Disney: 36%
  • Do you think Disney was acting within its right when it criticized the Florida law banning the discussion of sexuality and gender in public schools last year?
    • Yes: 55%
    • No: 23%
    • Don't know: 22%
  • How has your opinion of the following changed, if at all, as a result of their fight over LGBTQ+ issues in Florida?
    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
      • More favorable: 23%
      • Less favorable: 42%
      • No impact: 36%
    • The Walt Disney World resort
      • More favorable: 24%
      • Less favorable: 27%
      • No impact: 49%
    • The Disney Company
      • More favorable: 29%
      • Less favorable: 29%
      • No impact: 42%
The partisan breakouts are generally what you'd expect, with a majority of Republicans generally siding with DeSantis (64%), a majority of Democrats generally supporting Disney (87%) and a majority of independents also supporting Disney (67%).

I find this poll more interesting than the Harvard poll because it breaks out the issue into much more detail and cross-checks by asking a number of different questions. It still has some problems (as all polls do) but this one seems a lot less loaded language wise than the Harvard poll. For example, they don't call it a "special taxing district" while still referencing that Disney has some "legal priviledges" that were removed by DeSantis.

This fight isn't about the general election, it's about the Republican primary though. So, being viewed positively by Republican voters is exactly what DeSantis wants and why he is doing it. If he were to win the nomination or become the de facto nominee then he would have to pivot to more moderate positions and would distance himself from this fight with Disney. That's just how politics works in the US given the two party system and current climate.

I guess I'm confused as to why people in this thread keep indicating this is going to hurt DeSantis' presidential bid. If he can't get the Republication nomination, then there's no chance for him to be President. Thus appealing to Republican voters is the first hurdle and what he is working on now.

(I'm not saying it is going to work or anything, but it doesn't matter at this point if Dems or Independents disapprove of this action)
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
I know bookings are down. Also, Disney sit down restaurants had one of the slowest spring breaks ever. Plus non-park divisions are definitely hurting.

We just returned home from a couple of weeks at WDW and it was possible to have your choice of almost any table service day of (of course the smaller venues like 220 were solid except for really off off hours).
 

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