News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[CAV]

What about the other half who wasn't offended?


It's not a bill anymore, it's a law. And it's such a vaguely written law, that it's about being able to sue if something said by an educator in a public school offends you.


None do.

But this parent also believes in the constitution, and the law you reference is clearly unconstitutional.

Oh, the irony. The people who oppose the law repeatedly say it's "vague." However, their explanation of vague is, well, vague. Once their use of "don't say gay" fell flat because of its dishonesty, they changed to vague.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

How would the tax collector not know that they don’t charge Disney certain taxes?

Exactly. Any taxes Disney is exempt from are only because they're paying RCID for those services (like RCFD) and the County isn't providing that service. It's not some loophole to save Disney from a fair tax bill.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Orange and Osceola County property owners weren't taxed for the services Reedy Creek provided to WDW. You are shifting services performed by a special district to county governments that will have to acquire the revenue by way of taxes to provide those services. Unless the 2 counties basically recreate Reedy Creek, but by referendum.

RCID workers were basically WDW employees; WDW was happy to pay them because they had full control with no interference.
Recreate Reedy Creek, then what? Who pays the workers in the new RCID?
Tax WDW to pay the workers? Sure tax them then try to get the actual money. WDW is expert in not paying.

 

[GimpYancIent]

What impact on other parties? Universal, Busch Gardens / Sea World etc? Would the elimination of RCID have an adverse tax burden impact on other parks within the county? They are property owners.

 

[Prince-1]

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[Casper Gutman]

How so? You, or anyone

Viewpoint discrimination- there's a new one...no, actually is what politics is all about. Discrimination against opposing views.

It's funny that people think "discrimination" is always illegal. Discrimination is only illegal when it is against protected classes -race, color, creed, religion, gender, and most recently, sexual identity/preference.

People are discriminated against every single day, legally.

Not saying I agree or disagree with the Florida Body Poltic's decision, however, if you use the special privilege the government afforded you to oppose that government, don't be surprised when that same government removes that special privilege.

Chapek has been running roughshod over everything to enrich himself and thought he was untouchable- he found out different. Ironically, giving into a small, internal, boisterous minority caused the wheels to come loose.

Chapek is a bad CEO who has been dealt an unbelievably bad hand at every turn. A once-in-a-century pandemic, a US culture war unlike anything seen since the 60s, a governor willing to violate the Constitution to punish his perceived enemies, a European war, a predecessor who won't leave or signal confidence in Chapek's abilities - Chapek's problem isn't that he's an arrogant juggernaut, its that he's a colorless number cruncher who would be unequal to the task of running perhaps the world's largest, most scrutinized culture industry in the best of times - and he's been faced with some of the worst. Honestly, he's almost a sympathetic figure. If anyone deserves outright contempt, its Iger for setting Chapek and Disney up for failure to burnish his own reputation.

Oh, and by the way, the government punishing private entities for views they don't like is absolutely unconstitutional. Up until about six years ago it was a third rail of US politics - violating it would have rightfully ended a political career. But a lot of people have found it easier to abandon the foundational principles of the USA rather then doing the unpleasant work of being honest about what is happening in the political and social arenas. So instead, we get, "Yeah, its blatantly unconstitutional, but its directed at people saying things I don't like, so I'll continue to support the people violating everything the country stands for."

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm not a Floridian and it's not so easy to find a lot of detailed, unbiased reporting on RDIC. So, here's the main question I have that doesn't seem to have a clear answer...

If the result of dissolving the RDIC would be that Disney suddenly gets to pass on a billion dollars in debt, shouldn't they be in favor of this? I've read the comments about stricter permitting standards, etc. But I can't imagine that kind of thing would amount to anything close to a billion dollars in incremental expenses in the near future.

Also, without knowing the ins-and-outs of Florida tax law, isn't it reasonable to assume that Orange and Osceola would simply create or increase tax bases to cover the costs they're taking on? More tourism taxes of some kind, taxes on park admissions, etc. Might they also not just cut expenses by spending less on WDW infrastructure projects and maintenance?

Look at all of the roads that are built and maintained around Walt Disney World. A lot of them are District roads, not Disney or county roads. Anything that would be government infrastructure is the Districts, essentially paid for and maintained at Disney’s expense.

The District assesses it’s own taxes completely separately from the counties. The counties have to follow state rules and limits to assess new taxes. There’s also the issue of the District being within two counties.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What impact on other parties? Universal, Busch Gardens / Sea World etc? Would the elimination of RCID have an adverse tax burden impact on other parks within the county? They are property owners.

They are property owners in Orange County and would have to carry any financial burden that falls to the county just like everyone else.

 

[shambolicdefending]

Look at all of the roads that are built and maintained around Walt Disney World. A lot of them are District roads, not Disney or county roads. Anything that would be government infrastructure is the Districts, essentially paid for and maintained at Disney’s expense.

The District assesses it’s own taxes completely separately from the counties. The counties have to follow state rules and limits to assess new taxes. There’s also the issue of the District being within two counties.

So, again, why wouldn't Disney be in favor of dissolving the RDIC then? What's the downside for them? It has to be more than just a few annoying permits and more regulatory paperwork.

Passing on a billion dollars in debt would be a huge coup for them. What's the catch here?

 

[lazyboy97o]

RCID workers were basically WDW employees; WDW was happy to pay them because they had full control with no interference.
Recreate Reedy Creek, then what? Who pays the workers in the new RCID?
Tax WDW to pay the workers? Sure tax them then try to get the actual money. WDW is expert in not paying.

No, Reedy Creek employees are not essentially Walt Disney World employees. The idea that Disney would just not pay taxes is ridiculous. That’s illegal and would not be allowed to stand.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Oh, the irony. The people who oppose the law repeatedly say it's "vague." However, their explanation of vague is, well, vague. Once their use of "don't say gay" fell flat because of its dishonesty, they changed to vague.

Even if the law weren't unconstitutionally vague, it makes a weapon out of children and education...in a state not exactly known for stellar schools.

If I lived in Florida - even if I weren't a friend of the LGBTQ+ community - I'd be extremely upset about any law that puts teachers and schools at risk of frivolous lawsuits.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Good on DeSantis and the GOP for standing up to big woke corporations.

The taxpayers, many who voted DeSantis in, will pay for this fight between Disney and DeSantis.
And the law that started this fight will be overturned and RCID will still be gone and the taxpayers will be stuck with the bill.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Zero.

Disney won’t allow it. And if Tallahassee tried to end run them by “re-interpreting” the laws that govern it…they will tie it up in court forever (our ticket prices will rise to pay for it a bit more)…and it will eventually end up on John Roberts desk to toss. I bet Sonya would love to write that 8-1 or 7-2 decision. Licking the chops.

Only variable here is chapek is 101% an incompetent idiot…so there’s that too.

I feel like he’s been told to hide in his office and not say anything for at least the next month, especially to do with this. Interested to see if the new press lady will issue any comments.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, again, why wouldn't Disney be in favor of dissolving the RDIC then? What's the downside for them? It has to be more than just a few annoying permits and more regulatory paperwork.

Passing on a billion dollars in debt would be a huge coup for them. What's the catch here?

They lose control. If there’s a pothole they know they can get fixed quickly and in a way that minimizes disruption to guests. They don’t have to wait for the county to get around to it some day.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I feel like he’s been told to hide in his office and not say anything for at least the next month, especially to do with this. Interested to see if the new press lady will issue any comments.

If he has a good general counsel and the new board lady is intelligent…that’s exactly what’s going on.

But a behemoth can’t stay silent for long.

I know nothing…but I’m still confident that replacement talks are at least going on in the back alleys…doubt anything will happen at this point though.

Is his contract not going to be renewed barring anything miraculous before next year?

I would have said <10% chance on 1/1/22. Now? Higher.

 

[Married5Times]

chapek is a bad CEO who has been dealt an unbelievably bad hand at every turn.

nonsense

was given a large steamship with working equipment, a seasoned and qualified crew and plenty of fuel but lacked enough personal skill and leadership to steer clear of rough waters.

 

[peter11435]

The taxpayers, many who voted DeSantis in, will pay for this fight between Disney and DeSantis.
And the law that started this fight will be overturned and RCID will still be gone and the taxpayers will be stuck with the bill.

That’s if RCID actually ends up gone. There will be legal challenges and then this pesky state law.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

oH No iTS tHe dEMs! rUn FOr cOvER! lol

Couldn’t see that coming from the back end of the Bull, right?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Chapek is a bad CEO who has been dealt an unbelievably bad hand at every turn. A once-in-a-century pandemic, a US culture war unlike anything seen since the 60s, a governor willing to violate the Constitution to punish his perceived enemies, a European war, a predecessor who won't leave or signal confidence in Chapek's abilities - Chapek's problem isn't that he's an arrogant juggernaut, its that he's a colorless number cruncher who would be unequal to the task of running perhaps the world's largest, most scrutinized culture industry in the best of times - and he's been faced with some of the worst. Honestly, he's almost a sympathetic figure. If anyone deserves outright contempt, its Iger for setting Chapek and Disney up for failure to burnish his own reputation.

Oh, and by the way, the government punishing private entities for views they don't like is absolutely unconstitutional. Up until about six years ago it was a third rail of US politics - violating it would have rightfully ended a political career. But a lot of people have found it easier to abandon the foundational principles of the USA rather then doing the unpleasant work of being honest about what is happening in the political and social arenas. So instead, we get, "Yeah, its blatantly unconstitutional, but its directed at people saying things I don't like, so I'll continue to support the people violating everything the country stands for."

nonsense

was given a large steamship with working equipment, a seasoned and qualified crew and plenty of fuel but lacked enough personal skill and leadership to steer clear of rough waters.

It’s possible you both are right

 

[Disstevefan1]

No, Reedy Creek employees are not essentially Walt Disney World employees. The idea that Disney would just not pay taxes is ridiculous. That’s illegal and would not be allowed to stand.

Yes RCID were essentially WDW employees, and WDW can simply not pay taxes. This is just reality.
You say "That’s illegal" I laugh at that!!!