News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

RoysCabin

Well-Known Member
It really was not. It created a variety of regulations that otherwise didn’t really exist in the rural swamps of Florida. There’s a reason people think the buildings are all super strong hurricane shelters, because for decades the District imposed more stringent requirements that didn’t exist outside its boundaries.
That's fair, and I actually meant to make mention of that, how Disney's safety codes and whatnot tend to actually be much better than the rest of Florida's.

Nevertheless, the "special district" method of governance is something that just doesn't really warrant use anymore, but in a fight between RCID and Tallahassee and its current motivations I'll stick with Reedy Creek.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Btw these are the entities who pay taxes to the RCID, with the total number of taxes. Disney (obv) makes up the largest source of tax revenue. But all the hotels and stores on Disney property pay a large amount as well.

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Yeah…it gets bizzaro/weird along Buena vista drive…as you head west properties alternate between orange and Osceola…reedy cleans that up to a certain degree.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
If eliminating RCID means that Disney pays $105M less every year in taxes, then Disney’s BOD and shareholders should be 100% behind it.
There are other benefits to the RCID besides a merely cash savings, such as a very cooperative local government that doesn't do the crazy stuff that Anaheim had been doing to DL. (And as mentioned above, amenable doesn't mean a lack of strict oversight.)

Luckily for WDW, if the RCID is dissolved, the local counties are friendly to WDW. They know very, very well how much Disney drives the local tourist industry and economy. And politically, share the same ethos.

Stripping Disney of any governmental power or tax incentives would free it from 'staying in line' with the powers that be, because there'd be nothing else to lose. DeSantis got the tiger by tail.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There are other benefits to the RCID besides a merely cash savings, such as a very cooperative local government that doesn't do the crazy stuff that Anaheim had been doing to DL. (And as mentioned above, amenable doesn't mean a lack of strict oversight.)

Luckily for WDW, if the RCID is dissolved, the local counties are friendly to WDW. They know very, very well how much Disney drives the local tourist industry and economy. And politically, share the same ethos.

Stripping Disney of any governmental power or tax incentives would free it from 'staying in line' with the powers that be, because there'd be nothing else to lose. DeSantis got the tiger by tail.
Reedy creek is not about avoiding a tax bill. It was designed so they could nearly 100% control their master plan. People don’t even realize how complicated the water management system is and that is streamlined to only really have to deal with the SFWMD. I don’t want state or county agencies getting in there…

It’s not easy controlling water in a swamp. Let alone the cottonmouths.
 

ctrlaltdel

Well-Known Member
You’re the person to ask:

Any chance in hades those services you describe wouldn’t not escalate in price immediately and egregiously?

My experience dealing with a wide variety of regulatory impact for the Federal Government, Néw York and New Jersey (primarily) says NO WAY.

I can hear the snake oil salesmans talking about how “private saves money! No taxes!” Getting their fingers in that plum pudding. As the costs doubled and 25% somehow ends up parked at their boat dock.

Yes…I am calling those types “liars”.
Numerous rates could be raised, though it is uncertain until we have any sort of idea of who is gonna take what. I'm hopeful, though unsure, that there has been some planning done in the case that this would happen. The debt is likely gonna try to get passed around like a hot potato. That would be a large amount of debt to add to any counties books. Though my guess is that a solution to this issues is that the taxes can fall now on the 2 cities which make up RCID (which essentially outsource everything now to the RCID) instead of necessarily going to the counties. Still, that is a difficult transition and a lot of legalese will have to be worked out. But for example, utilities aren't going to be a huge deal. Disney fully owns the energy company that manages the energy for the entire district, Reedy Creek Energy Services. That won't be going away regardless of what happens, though they'll have to "negotiate" new contracts.

Still, it is uncertain what services will have to be taken on by the counties and what can be handled in a new bureaucratic apparatus of the cities (if they can handle anything in the short period of time the district would be dissolved by). The cities right now are essentially legal shells, with all their authority vested in the RCID. It takes time to transition services, even on paper. Most people have no idea the legal and bureaucratic challenges involved in provisioning local government services.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The post you were replying to referenced Let’s Go Brandon shirts you suggested political speech was protected, I wanted to point out that phase isn’t just political speech but also crude and crass.
That’s not political speech. It doesn’t state support for an ideal, group, or agenda.

It’s more easily argued to be in the realm of an secret service level threat. And it’s undignified and embarsssing.

I’ll grant you the point if you try harder/do better with an example.
 

castlecake2.0

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
So now back to the question at hand with everything we have learned over the last 24 hours, what’s the percentage rate of the RCID actually being dissolved when all is said and done.

And furthermore, what happens to the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista along with all the remaining land not included in those cities but owned by Disney.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Numerous rates could be raised, though it is uncertain until we have any sort of idea of who is gonna take what. I'm hopeful, though unsure, that there has been some planning done in the case that this would happen. The debt is likely gonna try to get passed around like a hot potato. That would be a large amount of debt to add to any counties books. Though my guess is that a solution to this issues is that the taxes can fall now on the 2 cities which make up RCID (which essentially outsource everything now to the RCID) instead of necessarily going to the counties. Still, that is a difficult transition and a lot of legalese will have to be worked out. But for example, utilities aren't going to be a huge deal. Disney fully owns the energy company that manages the energy for the entire district, Reedy Creek Energy Services. That won't be going away regardless of what happens, though they'll have to "negotiate" new contracts.

Still, it is uncertain what services will have to be taken on by the counties and what can be handled in a new bureaucratic apparatus of the cities (if they can handle anything in the short period of time the district would be dissolved by). The cities right now are essentially legal shells, with all their authority vested in the RCID. It takes time to transition services, even on paper. Most people have no idea the legal and bureaucratic challenges involved in provisioning local government services.
I do…hence why I baited you into saying this an an educational tool.

Thank you.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
So now back to the question at hand with everything we have learned over the last 24 hours, what’s the percentage rate of the RCID actually being dissolved when all is said and done.
Zero.

Disney won’t allow it. And if Tallahassee tried to end run them by “re-interpreting” the laws that govern it…they will tie it up in court forever (our ticket prices will rise to pay for it a bit more)…and it will eventually end up on John Roberts desk to toss. I bet Sonya would love to write that 8-1 or 7-2 decision. Licking the chops.

Only variable here is chapek is 101% an incompetent idiot…so there’s that too.
 
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mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
I have seen many VERY inappropriate shirts with sexually explicit phrases during "Gay Days." I'm not talking about people wearing red or having pride statements. I'm talking about stick figures illustrating intimate activities and shirts with explicit text. Disney doesn't do a thing about them so they shouldn't have any problem with "Let's go Brandon." What if they are just fans of Brandon Jones? He did win another Xfinity series race a few weeks ago.
I've been at Disney during gay days - I saw plenty of funny shirts, but nothing sexually explicit, and nothing even close to as questionable as some drinking around the world T shirts you see at Epcot.

What I did see were people enjoying the parks, and what had to be the most polite and pleasant crowded summer day at Disney.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
The post you were replying to referenced Let’s Go Brandon shirts you suggested political speech was protected, I wanted to point out that phase isn’t just political speech but also crude and crass.
I wasn’t referring to any specific phrase. Just correcting another poster that political messages are not prohibited.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
That's fair, and I actually meant to make mention of that, how Disney's safety codes and whatnot tend to actually be much better than the rest of Florida's.

Nevertheless, the "special district" method of governance is something that just doesn't really warrant use anymore, but in a fight between RCID and Tallahassee and its current motivations I'll stick with Reedy Creek.
There absolutely are legitimate questions to ask about the District. I would recommend anyone who is genuinely interested in how the District has benefited Disney read Married to the Mouse by Richard Foglesong. I found it very telling that an article posted yesterday gave the impression that even he is leery of what is happening.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There absolutely are legitimate questions to ask about the District. I would recommend anyone who is genuinely interested in how the District has benefited Disney read Married to the Mouse by Richard Foglesong. I found it very telling that an article posted yesterday gave the impression that even he is leery of what is happening.
Oh here I agree. It should be closely looked at all the time. Not inappropriate.

Married to the mouse and Project Future are my absolute favorite Disney commentary books.

Team Rodent by the always irreverent Carl Hiassen is an easy read/more humorist cliff notes version of married to mouse
 

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