lazyboy97o
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He also accused them of improperly valuing Disney’s property despite it being in line with other parks.
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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peter11435
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Yes. Several
lazyboy97o
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They’re all just dropped. No plan on how to actually Wind them down, because of course they are deliberately ignoring the existing process.
Wow... Tomorrowland might actually BE about tomorrow, and we might actually find Xandarians in Epcot!!!
I vote yes.
Dranth
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Wanting some say in what your child learns I get, who doesn't want that? However, there are so many ways this could have been written to provide for that without leaving gaping wholes that can be abused to target specific groups. That is why I really don't understand the support for this thing. People can support the advertised reason behind the bill but demand their lawmakers do it a way that can't be abused.
I am just not a fan of the ends justify the means philosophy that many supports of both the original bill and the current attempt to strip RCID seem to use. Why and how matters, not just the end result.
The other thing that puzzles me and I am honestly curious, why do you not want to believe the actual author of the bill? Do you believe that people who put something through for a specific reason don't already have a plan to use it that way?
lazyboy97o
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It really was not. It created a variety of regulations that otherwise didn’t really exist in the rural swamps of Florida. There’s a reason people think the buildings are all super strong hurricane shelters, because for decades the District imposed more stringent requirements that didn’t exist outside its boundaries.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Nothing was unreasonable/untrue in that post you quoted.
Maybe I missed something? It didn’t call anyone a liar and hit the politics of the game being played perfectly.
Simple as simple gets.
Occam’s Razor here.
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CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Yes, obviously.
Ron DeSantis does and says things for partisan political purposes. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to imagine that his opponents might ALSO do and say things for partisan political purposes. This isn't a battle of good versus evil, it's a battle among cynical political actors on all sides.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Saying the county tax collectors don’t actually know what taxes are being collected is calling them liars.
ctrlaltdel
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So I work in local government management and decided to look up exactly what RCID does, how it contracts with other agencies for services, what services it provides itself, etc. to determine what the district provides and what would change in the event of it going away. It is my opinion that the actual money for the services wouldn't be a massive hurdle, though it would be a major political and bureaucratic challenge (and a somewhat minor, but real, fiscal challenge) to integrate the taxing district into the 2 counties. The biggest hurdle would be the provision of services and the amount of debt servicing required to ensure WDW remains smoothly operated from a utilities and roads maintenance point of view.
The district itself is a over $150m+/year entity that employs hundreds of people who are organized in such a way to provide services in the manner they have been doing for decades. As someone who has negotiated many types of services between governmental entities for mutual aid, utility rates, and much more, it is not as simple as Orange or Osceola counties taking over the services provided by RCID. This process can take years. the RCID do have an exceptionally large debt service (which was my initial reaction to the $2b in debt), as they have $750m in principal to pay. My guess is that the $2b number is what they are authorized to borrow, which is different than actual debt holdings. However, despite the debt doing a number on the fund balance (over the third of money in the general fund budget goes to debt servicing), I am positive that they have extremely low interest rates (like under 1%), as I'm sure the district has an excellent credit rating and has refinanced the debt continuously to get the most favorable rates. Still this would be the largest fiscal challenge and I think a relatively unique situation on who would be holding the bag on those debts at the end of the day. It's not everyday a taxing authority this large (though at the end of the day not THAT huge) gets dissolved.
I won't go over every service in detail, unless that would be helpful. However there are a number of things that likely wouldn't change, while others will provide for massive bureaucratic headaches. For example, they already contract with Orange and Osceola Counties, as well as the Florida Highway patrol for policing. That would likely continue. But large services provided directly by the district, such as street maintenance and Fire/EMS (which employs nearly half of the Districts employees), would need to be integrated in a rather quickly into either/both counties services.
The district itself is a over $150m+/year entity that employs hundreds of people who are organized in such a way to provide services in the manner they have been doing for decades. As someone who has negotiated many types of services between governmental entities for mutual aid, utility rates, and much more, it is not as simple as Orange or Osceola counties taking over the services provided by RCID. This process can take years. the RCID do have an exceptionally large debt service (which was my initial reaction to the $2b in debt), as they have $750m in principal to pay. My guess is that the $2b number is what they are authorized to borrow, which is different than actual debt holdings. However, despite the debt doing a number on the fund balance (over the third of money in the general fund budget goes to debt servicing), I am positive that they have extremely low interest rates (like under 1%), as I'm sure the district has an excellent credit rating and has refinanced the debt continuously to get the most favorable rates. Still this would be the largest fiscal challenge and I think a relatively unique situation on who would be holding the bag on those debts at the end of the day. It's not everyday a taxing authority this large (though at the end of the day not THAT huge) gets dissolved.
I won't go over every service in detail, unless that would be helpful. However there are a number of things that likely wouldn't change, while others will provide for massive bureaucratic headaches. For example, they already contract with Orange and Osceola Counties, as well as the Florida Highway patrol for policing. That would likely continue. But large services provided directly by the district, such as street maintenance and Fire/EMS (which employs nearly half of the Districts employees), would need to be integrated in a rather quickly into either/both counties services.
Midwest Elitist
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Some people just have a hard time grasping the concept of defacto vs dejure.
Dejure, is as the law is written but there may be defacto (how law is applied) intended / unintended consequences.
In other words, some legislation may cause X harm to a specific group in a multitude of ways but unless you point to it explicitly written in the text, you won't reach some people with that argument.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Ok…but I think the suggestion there is that nobody really knows what the actual impact/functionality of what reedy creek dissolution would result in?
How could you when it’s being done on a shotgun schedule with no actual groundwork done before hand? There simply was zero time to properly do it.
Other than that…have at it
peter11435
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What taxes they pay, how much, and to who is all public record accessible to everyone. You don’t have to trust a politicians word. You can see for yourself.
lazyboy97o
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None of this is relevant. You’re trying to create a false equivalency. Person A lying is not evidence of Person B lying.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
The county tax collector knows the taxes collected by the county.Ok…but I think the suggestion there is that nobody really knows what the actual impact/functionality of what reedy creek dissolution would result in?
How could you when it’s being done on a shotgun schedule with no actual groundwork done before hand? There simply was zero time to properly do it.
Other than that…have at it
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Sirwalterraleigh
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You’re the person to ask:
Any chance in hades those services you describe wouldn’t not escalate in price immediately and egregiously?
My experience dealing with a wide variety of regulatory impact for the Federal Government, Néw York and New Jersey (primarily) says NO WAY.
I can hear the snake oil salesmans talking about how “private saves money! No taxes!” Getting their fingers in that plum pudding. As the costs doubled and 25% somehow ends up parked at their boat dock.
Yes…I am calling those types “liars”.
GimpYancIent
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There you go. Everybody is lying equally!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Of course…
I just have no faith they could even begin to guess the real world impact of RCID going poof on a fast track.
If that makes me a conspiracy theorist…so be it.
ctrlaltdel
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Btw these are the entities who pay taxes to the RCID, with the total number of taxes. Disney (obv) makes up the largest source of tax revenue. But all the hotels and stores on Disney property pay a large amount as well.
