News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Well, the Lt Governor said that if Disney were to disregard their woke agenda, the state wouldn’t take action against them, so the retaliatory aspect is pretty assured, wouldn’t you agree?
Yeah it's very clear from a "normal person observing the situation with common sense" perspective.

I don't know what the legal standard entails when it comes to proving it in court.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Wait wait wait.

I was assured that they had an ironclad First Amendment claim because these actions were INDSISPUTABLY retaliatory for their speech?
There absolutely is a possible first amendment claim.

But why only have one constitutional violation in a lawsuit when you can multiple, plus actual monetary damages while waiting a bit, but still remaining completely within the statute of limitations.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Disney has not acted because they are risk averse cowards. That’s it. Plenty of actual harms have occurred. They thought appeasement would work. They wrongly assumed that if they just sulked away then that would be enough and it would go away. The assessment wasn’t one of right or wrong, it was about what assumed to be the easiest.

Even now, with clear attempts to impair contracts, Disney might not act. They might again convince themselves that “this time they’ll actually stop.”
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
The difference is the Disney contract itself was not illegal. If there’s something in the contract that a court rules is illegal (like the fraud you describe) then the contract could be ruled void. Maybe in this case the fraud would be the self dealing approach the state is floating out there. A judge would have to decide that.

Which is exactly what the board is claiming - it's voidable because it wasn't done legally. The arguments here I was responding to was the one that says the board can't possibly go after the deal because they are the ones that made it. That alone is not sufficient to keep the board from going back against the deal as the hypothetical highlights.

The keystone here is the debate around the argument made to determine the deal being invalid from the start... they can undo a deal if it was never valid to start. The big debate is.. if their conclusion on it being valid or not is correct. Not 'what are the correct avenues for reconciliation' (to paraphrase)

The failure to provide notice is a procedural violation on the government’s part (RCID being the government in this case).
Again you all are already moving onto point #2 (terms of a developer agreement) while the board and it's lawyers are saying "Do not pass go, do not collect $200" and not even respecting the contract as in force.

You're talking past each other as you debate something different from the terms they are working from. I don't know if their interpretation is correct, but you're not even debating the same things as them.

So in this case if there was not proper notice given to landowners who could be impacted and if one of the landowners comes forward with a valid objection then a judge would most likely rule the current board would need to hear that objection and then re-vote on the contract which we all know will result in a no.
Yes, we all know in that sequence of events how that woud go :)
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
I'd love to see how a state employee would get experience on how exactly to determine if something like RotR is safe.
You’re thinking in terms of physically safe where they are looking to see that it is ideologically safe. I’m sure there’s a whole field of engineering that deals with such concerns.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
That isn’t what was being discussed. We are talking about the development agreement

Yes it was.

Disney hasn't acted because they are still seeking compromise and settlement. They haven't acted because morality isn't dictating their actions, but PR and optics are. Shareholder value is dictating their actions. Anyone who thinks Disney will act as some form of woke crusader is setting themselves up for disappointment.
 

Patcheslee

Well-Known Member
Can you expand on this? The county health departments handle food inspections and any ride inspections would be conducted by employees working for the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (DACS).
The DFOT complained they were required to get RDIC approval prior to work.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Which is exactly what the board is claiming - it's voidable because it wasn't done legally. The arguments here I was responding to was the one that says the board can't possibly go after the deal because they are the ones that made it. That alone is not sufficient to keep the board from going back against the deal as the hypothetical highlights.

The keystone here is the debate around the argument made to determine the deal being invalid from the start... they can undo a deal if it was never valid to start. The big debate is.. if their conclusion on it being valid or not is correct. Not 'what are the correct avenues for reconciliation' (to paraphrase)


Again you all are already moving onto point #2 (terms of a developer agreement) while the board and it's lawyers are saying "Do not pass go, do not collect $200" and not even respecting the contract as in force.

You're talking past each other as you debate something different from the terms they are working from. I don't know if their interpretation is correct, but you're not even debating the same things as them.


Yes, we all know in that sequence of events how that woud go :)
I am moving on to #2. I‘m assuming if the contract was illegal anyway there would be no need to bring up the notice issue. I guess it’s a throw a bunch of poo at the wall and see what sticks scenario. The only evidence the presented that the contract could be illegal was that e-mail screen shot which IMHO proves nothing legally. Again more of a PR stunt as they new the images would get tweeted out in an attempt to put doubt in people’s minds.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Disney has not acted because they are risk averse cowards. That’s it. Plenty of actual harms have occurred. They thought appeasement would work. They wrongly assumed that if they just sulked away then that would be enough and it would go away. The assessment wasn’t one of right or wrong, it was about what assumed to be the easiest.

Even now, with clear attempts to impair contracts, Disney might not act. They might again convince themselves that “this time they’ll actually stop.”
Risk averse? Have you seen the incredible list of sequels and franchise-milking films they have in development?
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
So what happens if the board isn’t confirmed by the senate before May 2nd? The Federal govt does allow the President to make Recess Apointments, does FL law allow the Governor to? If that’s a no, who runs the board of the district fka Reedy Creek

Section 114.05 addresses that situation

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Statute in full.

 

Surferboy567

Well-Known Member
Because they want this out of the news as soon as possible.

Disney does not like going to court. If the other news of this week wasn't a tip off: no matter how right you are morally, or what kind of rock-hard solid legal case you might have, you always try to settle to avoid going to court.
I still think we are way past the point of “settling” they are clearly not in a position to keep hoping it will go away. They are going to keep accusing Disney of various things and destroy the structure of WDW piece by piece if they don’t start playing hardball.

They need to wake up that this is something that needs to be fought as quickly as possible.
 

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