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[Riviera Rita]

DeSantis wants it *in* the news cycle, he doesn't want it resolved. I don't think he actually cares about the ultimate outcome (which will be years from now), but he wants the fight to be ongoing until the primary begins.

I think the people on this board really do care about the outcome and they actually want to screw Disney. They're doing it for their pound of flesh, they're not just doing it as a stunt.

He needs to be watching the news cycle, they are not on his side and even the right wing media aren't interested.

 

[flynnibus]

I still don’t see how that gives the district standing for a do over. They were in no way harmed. “We may have harmed some unidentified party that isn’t seeking redress for the maintenance of the status quo” is an odd argument. And it’s all so they can institute changes that none of these hypothetical injuries parties have sought.

but whose to say they don't round up someone they can claim was impacted and puppet them up.

Clearly the district is betting on this horse... Disney is going to have to fight it. With data we largely are not privy to at this point. I think this argument is pointless until the inevitable court debate and conclusion.

 

[Disorbust]

WDW may not be going anywhere today but this temper tantrum may affect future development decisions. They have always been looking for other development opportunities and combined with "What will Florida look like in 25 years" between changing demographics and climate change I wouldn't doubt they diversify the location of their future theme parks.

 

[peter11435]

Disney voluntarily placed themselves in the district in the first place 50 years ago.

They reaped the benefits of it for 50 years of autonomy.

Them losing that ability, while the merits of that loss can certainly be argued, have nothing to do with the outcome of their current predicament, particularly surrounding their (yet to be proven in court) intentional subversion of Florida municipal code and law.

There was no subversion of Florida law. It’s not subversion when the law doesn’t exist yet.

 

[afterabme]

Looking to what Disney's response will be to media outlets asking for comments from them.

 

[Vacationeer]

WDW may not be going anywhere today but this temper tantrum may affect future development decisions. They have always been looking for other development opportunities and combined with "What will Florida look like in 25 years" between changing demographics and climate change I wouldn't doubt they diversify the location of their future theme parks.

Walt may not have realized at the time but just maybe WDW and Orlando end up being the most east, west and south points of the Florida peninsula. Possibly he was that keen Lol. Legendary.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

WDW may not be going anywhere today but this temper tantrum may affect future development decisions. They have always been looking for other development opportunities and combined with "What will Florida look like in 25 years" between changing demographics and climate change I wouldn't doubt they diversify the location of their future theme parks.

It could certainly impact whether or not other businesses come to Florida as well. Who in their right mind would want to invest in Florida long term?

There's a reason they're picking on Disney, which can't just up move to another state. Classic bully behaviour. Attack those with the less ability to fight back compared to a more mobile enterprise.

 

[flynnibus]

They are really trying to push the idea of reclaiming land to build their housing.

continuing this thought.. I wonder if this is a multi-stage ploy by the district

phase 1
1 - play disney evil doesn't allow housing where it's needed
2 - play affordable housing being offered - see we are a board of the people! We the people!!

phase 2
3 - take land via eminent domain and/or land use plans for said housing
4 - contract out building housing to some friendly parties for a nice grift party
5 - move in people that now believe this board and "friends of Ron" are the reason they have cheaper housing.. and now some votes

phase 3
6 - Now you have more residents in the district and different land owners - change the district charter to change the land voting rights so that they have a future defense against disney ever being the single biggest voting block again

if not all of this, at least some of it seems to be the game they are playing

 

[GBAB1973]

Looking to what Disney's response will be to media outlets asking for comments from them.

They'll likely play it cool. They aren't going to litigate this in the press. They will issue basic statements and assess matters as they unfold. They aren't going to do the fireworks show DeSantis and the board have put on. Typically, the ones that need to do that and try to sway public opinion are the ones that realize they have the weaker hand.

 

[Patcheslee]

Question 1: they mentions Disney sets their own utility rates. I they referring to something in the Comprehensive plan? Specifically this? If so, isn't "The District" in this case be CFOwhatever other letters are supposed to be here. Or is there another agreement somewhere else that says Disney tells the district what it will pay. (I'm that far back on watching lol)

 

[Figgy1]

They'll likely play it cool. They aren't going to litigate this in the press. They will issue basic statements and assess matters as they unfold. They aren't going to do the fireworks show DeSantis and the board have put on. Typically, the ones that need to do that and try to sway public opinion are the ones that realize they have the weaker hand.

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[lazyboy97o]

continuing this thought.. I wonder if this is a multi-stage ploy by the district

phase 1
1 - play disney evil doesn't allow housing where it's needed
2 - play affordable housing being offered - see we are a board of the people! We the people!!

phase 2
3 - take land via eminent domain and/or land use plans for said housing
4 - contract out building housing to some friendly parties for a nice grift party
5 - move in people that now believe this board and "friends of Ron" are the reason they have cheaper housing.. and now some votes

phase 3
6 - Now you have more residents in the district and different land owners - change the district charter to change the land voting rights so that they have a future defense against disney ever being the single biggest voting block again

if not all of this, at least some of it seems to be the game they are playing

Depending on which land they take, they could be putting residents in one of the cities.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Question 1: they mentions Disney sets their own utility rates. I they referring to something in the Comprehensive plan? Specifically this? If so, isn't "The District" in this case be CFOwhatever other letters are supposed to be here. Or is there another agreement somewhere else that says Disney tells the district what it will pay. (I'm that far back on watching lol)
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The District contracts out utility services to Reedy Creek Energy Services, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

DeSantis wants it *in* the news cycle, he doesn't want it resolved. I don't think he actually cares about the ultimate outcome (which will be years from now), but he wants the fight to be ongoing until the primary begins.

I'm sorry, but this sounds so silly to me. Riding into the primaries as the guy locked in a heated battle with Walt Disney World is an... interesting strategy. Not even the guy who won against Disney, mind you, but the guy engaged in a long, drawn-out battle with Disney to control one of the largest tourist destinations and employers in the country after they criticised one of your pieces of legislation. The guy threatening to build competing theme parks and prisons next door to them as revenge...

We'll see how well that works.

 

[mmascari]

Anyway, I remember reading years ago that for every job Disney created in Florida, six other jobs were created outside of Disney.

77000 + (77000 * 6) = 539,000. Is Ronny willing to destroy his state's economy to beat Disney? That's the question.

Do you really want to know the answer to that question?

A better question might be, is that destruction likely to happen prior to November 2024 or after? I think it is completely safe to say he does not want to see the destruction of the FL economy prior to November 2024. If it happens or not after that, I'm not sure that he cares either way.

 

[mkt]

Do you really want to know the answer to that question?

A better question might be, is that destruction likely to happen prior to November 2024 or after? I think it is completely safe to say he does not want to see the destruction of the FL economy prior to November 2024. If it happens or not after that, I'm not sure that he cares either way.

It was a rhetorical question, but I agree with the last part of your statement entirely.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Do you really want to know the answer to that question?

A better question might be, is that destruction likely to happen prior to November 2024 or after? I think it is completely safe to say he does not want to see the destruction of the FL economy prior to November 2024. If it happens or not after that, I'm not sure that he cares either way.

I dont know if he cares that much as he is term limited as Gov so he can't run again and his prospects for pres are slim to none at this point. Who knows what he is thinking.

 

[LAKid53]

The board listening to all this financial briefing "I thought we were on the board to shut down movies and Tiana's Bayou Adventure?!?!"

Be careful what you ask for....

 

[LAKid53]

The mil rate is being talked about being potentially raised to raise more revenue.

I'm sure the other property owners will be pleased....not.

 

[GBAB1973]

The problem is that they don't say that with a straight face.

I'm not sure if we're allowed to post this and you can take it as you will, but this is what the New York Times has to say about this aspect of it:

Republicans Hit DeSantis Over Disney Feud

As Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida escalates a fight against his state’s largest private employer, his potential rivals for the White House see an opening to attack.

www.nytimes.com

You gotta love the Guv's office now in spin mode. They did it because they felt Disney had a special advantage?

And yet, you can literally pull up press conferences and interviews where DeSantis says he punished them for their stance. He's practically bragged about it.