Creathir
Well-Known Member
The lack of public disclosure and input would argue otherwise…This is a lie. The public agreement process was started and completed months before state law would have potentially altered the district.
The lack of public disclosure and input would argue otherwise…This is a lie. The public agreement process was started and completed months before state law would have potentially altered the district.
That's part of the unknown. Would this have just faded into the background if they did nothing or would the board still continue with these actions? Cooler heads will prevail in someway on both sides.Let’s be honest here: Disney tried a last minute poison pill, it didn’t work, and further increased tensions between them and the incoming board.
Whatever chance of amicability that was there before, was completely destroyed by Disney trying to subvert the new incoming board.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…
All due respect because I don't mean this to be personal and I do not want to divulge this conversation into a political shouting match, but I respectfully disagree with some of what you are saying. This isn't a policy disagreement over a typical right/left issue, like say taxes, this is about government abuse of power and placing a chilling effect on free speech, by the state.And there are millions who think the complete opposite of what you just said. That's the beauty of America, actually. Sometimes the people in power do things you agree with, sometimes they don't. He won't be Florida's governor forever.
Corporations have free speech in every state, including Florida. However, free speech has consequences sometimes. Corporations should probably just stay out of politics in general, like they used to. The average person just wants to enjoy what the company produces, not hear all about their political leanings...
Advocating for a law to be changed is not a harm to the government or any individuals. Unless it meets specific criteria, advocating for harm to others is protected speech.The constitution doesn't say anything about corporations and was written that individuals have free speech. If a corporation verbally attacks with the intent to harm a government and sitting government individuals, I'm guessing that could be uncharted legal territory.
If the Florida government is doing something wrong here, Disney will sue them and likely win.
Not sure. But to say the people of Florida no longer have free speech is absurd.
As frustrating as it is to see the same old tired and tried arguments get drudged up, I can't necessarily fault a newcomer to this thread for failing to read 700+ pages.I think I’m just gonna start to ignore the new folks here who off their opinion on Page 700 and couldn’t be bothered to read any of the other 600 pages. Tired of dealing with the misinformed.
A few hundreds pages back, everyone was PRAISING Disney for doing just that.LOL.
Imagine looking at this and thinking the party escalating things here and creating tension here is Disney.
Once again liesThe lack of public disclosure and input would argue otherwise…
Please prove where I lied.Once again lies
I don't support bullying. If one bully goes up to another bully and punches them in the nose, I can say "that was wrong." But I also don't feel terribly sad that a bully got punched.I can’t believe there are people here who support government retaliation.
The Supreme Court ruled corporations have the same rights as people in Citizens United.
Disney didn’t attack the government or governmental officials with the intent of doing harm. That’s utter nonsense. Disney exercised their constitutionally protected right to free speech by disagreeing with a bill.
The government is punishing Disney for their protected speech. That is a total violation of the 1st amendment. The Venn Diagram of people who support DeSantis’ actions and people who claim to hate censorship is mind-boggling. You’re either for freedom of speech or against it. If you’re for it, you can’t support DeSantis on this.
How did Disney subvert municipal law?What constitutional right do they have to subvert municipal law?
They can make a case they are being unfairly treated with the dissolution of the original district, but that has nothing to do with their attempts to upend municipal law in the State of Florida.
“It’s not fair! They are punishing us by making us play by the same rules as Universal!!!”
Yeah.. not going to fly…
The constitution doesn't say anything about corporations and was written that individuals have free speech. If a corporation verbally attacks with the intent to harm a government and sitting government individuals, I'm guessing that could be uncharted legal territory.
If you are otherwise a great employee you could always hire a lawyerNo, in many places, particularly with at will employment, you absolutely can get fired for saying your boss is an idiot.
There’s a word for what those people believe in and it’s not conservative or Republican. But they really hate it when they get labeled that. This is faschism, plain in simple. Read a dictionary:All due respect because I don't mean this to be personal and I do not want to divulge this conversation into a political shouting match, but I respectfully disagree with some of what you are saying. This isn't a policy disagreement over a typical right/left issue, like say taxes, this is about government abuse of power and placing a chilling effect on free speech, by the state.
Free speech is not absolute, just as any right is not absolute, but those consequences ARE NOT supposed to result in state retaliation for exercising that right. That is the heart of the matter here. And why all of this is gravely concerning that the state is even considering and attempting to do. And it's not even just that Disney is being targeted here. They are a big institution with resources, they can and will protect themselves. This is about the dangerous precedent it sets for this state, any state, or any presidential administration or Congress to do similar actions to chill speech in the future. If the state can do this to Disney, a powerful corportion, what chance do us regular people have against the state when it decides to target any one of us for dissenting? That's what terrifies me.
It's also very concerning that more people, especially those on the right whose entire philosophy is based on protecting individual rights, private property, and combating government overreach. Those principles seem to be completely thrown out in favor of enabking retaliation by the state in order to expand the state's powers over a private company, their physical property, intellectual property and content production, the infrastructure surrounding their property, their tax assements, and anything else the state has an interest in control over.
This is way beyond what a big government, socialist bending left wing person would even think of. This is something you'd only see in dysfunctional, mafia like narco failed state countries, or those with totalitarian forms of government. Not the US. This is completely contrarian to every value and principle our country supposedly stands for. And I'm a left leaning person who's skeptical of corporate power and favor some government oversight over the free market.
But this, this is completely off the rails and beyond the scope what even far-left but non-communist countries would do.
It didn’t work? Wait. You think because DeSantis says the agreement is void that means it actually is?Let’s be honest here: Disney tried a last minute poison pill, it didn’t work, and further increased tensions between them and the incoming board.
Whatever chance of amicability that was there before, was completely destroyed by Disney trying to subvert the new incoming board.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…
It is pretty simple. Disney has the right to express a political view. The government does not have the right to punish them for it. That’s not my opinion - that’s the Constitution’s. Take it up with the founders or the Supreme Court if you disagree.To me it's pretty simple. Disney said they would do everything they could to make sure the law didn't go into effect. Florida then responded by taking away Disneys special privileges. If Disney's not going to support the Florida govt. then why would the Florida govt. support disney?
It seems petty, and I think personally BOTH sides could have handled this better.
Thanks! Now I am hungry for popcorn… Checking Amazon now…,
What you just described is a violation of the 1st amendment.
It is pretty simple. Disney has the right to express a political view. The government does not have the right to punish them for it. That’s not my opinion - that’s the Constitution’s. Take it up with the founders or the Supreme Court if you disagree.
It is petty. And unconstitutional.
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