Maybe but that's not what happened here.
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Maybe but that's not what happened here.
tissandtully
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I can’t believe there are people here who support government retaliation.
lazyboy97o
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This is a lie. The public agreement process was started and completed months before state law would have potentially altered the district.
TrainsOfDisney
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You can’t legally get fired for having an opinion and speaking it. If you threaten your boss then you can get fired. If you continue to call him names and create a hostile work environment you can get fired. But for simply saying he’s an idiot. Nope.
If that were true Chapek could have fired most of the WDW management lol
It's called desperation.
tissandtully
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I think I’m just gonna start to ignore the new folks here who off their opinion on Page 700 and couldn’t be bothered to read any of the other 600 pages. Tired of dealing with the misinformed.
The Supreme Court ruled corporations have the same rights as people in Citizens United.
Disney didn’t attack the government or governmental officials with the intent of doing harm. That’s utter nonsense. Disney exercised their constitutionally protected right to free speech by disagreeing with a bill.
The government is punishing Disney for their protected speech. That is a total violation of the 1st amendment. The Venn Diagram of people who support DeSantis’ actions and people who claim to hate censorship is mind-boggling. You’re either for freedom of speech or against it. If you’re for it, you can’t support DeSantis on this.
LOL.
Imagine looking at this and thinking the party escalating things here and creating tension here is Disney.
Not DeSantis and the legislature who threatened Disney. Not DeSantis who basically admitted he's exacting revenge on Disney for having a voice. Not DeSantis who wanted a board he could control that he could to use to leverage things out of Disney. Not the hand picked DeSantis board that basically said they hope they can use their new powers to dictate content and other things to Disney. Not the board and DeSantis who have basically alleged Disney is part of some sort of gay grooming culture for speaking out about the bill.
Nope, the real villain here is Disney who kept quiet for months while DeSantis carried out his takeover of Disney World and then took perfectly legal action to retain control of property they mostly own.
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Creathir
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What constitutional right do they have to subvert municipal law?
They can make a case they are being unfairly treated with the dissolution of the original district, but that has nothing to do with their attempts to upend municipal law in the State of Florida.
“It’s not fair! They are punishing us by making us play by the same rules as Universal!!!”
Yeah.. not going to fly…
lazyboy97o
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No, in many places, particularly with at will employment, you absolutely can get fired for saying your boss is an idiot.
Dan Deesnee
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I fear what they might do to Disney over this, especially with new ride construction, etc. It already takes them twice as long to build something as it should. Desantis seems to be out for blood.
How would that type of bond get rated?
I imagine something like this in the prospectus: We want to issue this bond to raise funds to pay lawyers so we can sue/defend suits the largest source of our income. All money from the bonds will be used on lawyers in actions against our largest source of income to repay the bonds with. Upon winning those suits, we'll use the victory to directly control/impact/harm that income source.
Doesn't sound like a AAA+ to me.
Creathir
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The lack of public disclosure and input would argue otherwise…
Batman'sParents
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That's part of the unknown. Would this have just faded into the background if they did nothing or would the board still continue with these actions? Cooler heads will prevail in someway on both sides.
Mr. Stay Puft
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All due respect because I don't mean this to be personal and I do not want to divulge this conversation into a political shouting match, but I respectfully disagree with some of what you are saying. This isn't a policy disagreement over a typical right/left issue, like say taxes, this is about government abuse of power and placing a chilling effect on free speech, by the state.
Free speech is not absolute, just as any right is not absolute, but those consequences ARE NOT supposed to result in state retaliation for exercising that right. That is the heart of the matter here. And why all of this is gravely concerning that the state is even considering and attempting to do. And it's not even just that Disney is being targeted here. They are a big institution with resources, they can and will protect themselves. This is about the dangerous precedent it sets for this state, any state, or any presidential administration or Congress to do similar actions to chill speech in the future. If the state can do this to Disney, a powerful corportion, what chance do us regular people have against the state when it decides to target any one of us for dissenting? That's what terrifies me.
It's also very concerning that more people, especially those on the right whose entire philosophy is based on protecting individual rights, private property, and combating government overreach. Those principles seem to be completely thrown out in favor of enabling retaliation by the state in order to expand the state's powers over a private company, their physical property, intellectual property and content production, the infrastructure surrounding their property, their tax assements, and anything else the state has an interest in control over.
This is way beyond what a big government, socialist bending left wing person would even think of. This is something you'd only see in dysfunctional, mafia like narco failed state countries, or those with totalitarian forms of government. Not the US. This is completely contrarian to every value and principle our country supposedly stands for. And I'm a left leaning person who's skeptical of corporate power and favor some government oversight over the free market.
But this, this is completely off the rails and beyond the scope what even far-left but non-communist countries would do.
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lazyboy97o
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Advocating for a law to be changed is not a harm to the government or any individuals. Unless it meets specific criteria, advocating for harm to others is protected speech.
Brian
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As frustrating as it is to see the same old tired and tried arguments get drudged up, I can't necessarily fault a newcomer to this thread for failing to read 700+ pages.
Creathir
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A few hundreds pages back, everyone was PRAISING Disney for doing just that.
Because it’s blowing up in their face doesn’t change the fact that they tried to do so.
tissandtully
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Once again lies
Creathir
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Please prove where I lied.