News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[flynnibus]

I have never once thought a first come, first served system is a good one when it comes to government financing. That’s the state’s fault for making decisions that way. It has nothing to do with the District. There’s nothing to say that Orange County Utilities would not have been first in line which would have had the same result.

Just see if he can name the parties involved instead of relying what he found on wikipedia.

 

[Stripes]

IANAL but… good luck with that in court.

Here’s a photo for everyone to see. Disney would have an outstanding case.

 

[Dranth]

Take yourself out of defensive mode for a second and ask yourself if you really think it makes sense that a state, as a whole, should not have the ability to say that low income housing is a more important priority than additional resort expansion for a corporation.

They did and made the choice not to, why aren't you going on about the state?

 

[GBAB1973]

They acted by releasing a statement that said, "We are focused on the future and are ready to work within this new framework."

They could have sued to prevent the new board from taking over, and maintain their control over the government but they didn't. They transferred the most essential controls over and abandoned ship. Why would they do that?

When Disney issued that statement on February 10th, the agreement between RCID and Disney had already taken place. So when he references the "framework" he knows that Disney had retained their most important controls.

 

[el_super]

Sometimes winning isn’t worth the collateral damage.

This is pretty close to what I have been saying all along: RCID wasn't worth saving. Disney could have fought to retain control, but the messaging would have been hard to control and painted them in a negative light. It wasn't worth it to Disney.

The development agreement was smart because it is a far more defensible position for Disney to take. Now they are arguing that they should be free to do what they want on their own land, rather than arguing that they should control their own government.

 

[flynnibus]

Here’s a photo for everyone to see. Disney would have an outstanding case.

lol.. only applying to special districts.. good luck arguing why they would have done this kind of change anyway, regardless of RCID transition.

I guess the days of having staff that kept the elected people from going completely off the deep end are over?

Of course this is coming from the desk of the guy who brought you the "Ultimate Cancel Act" -- so I guess I should know better than expect sane governance.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The landowners of the municipality, which just so happens to be Disney. Just as if any other municipality was largely owned by one person/entity. I would expect that they have a very large say in who is elected and represents their needs.

And there are towns whose populations have declined to a point where basically one family takes turn being mayor and everyone is on the city council. Should they be subjected to other authorities now that there’s not enough diversity of residency? How do you even create that criteria?

 

[el_super]

I have never once thought a first come, first served system is a good one when it comes to government financing. That’s the state’s fault for making decisions that way.

Beyond the setup for applying for the bonds though, do you think it's wise that a state should dedicate more resources to propping up industry than overseeing housing development or education, or to the other functions that a good government should provide?

Don't you think the people should generally have a say in such matters?

 

[GBAB1973]

Here’s a photo for everyone to see. Disney would have an outstanding case.

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LOL.

We got caught with our pants down. It appears legal what they did. So what we are going to do is make up a law that states any agreements made in the previous three months of our prior law is null and void and retroactively apply it because, as we said at the start, we got caught with our pants around our ankles.

 

[peter11435]

Why dont you stop being defensive and ask yourself if the state should have the ability to dictate what landowners can & can’t do with their land. All because of a political statement that the landowner made.

This.

 

[peter11435]

Beyond the setup for applying for the bonds though, do you think it's wise that a state should dedicate more resources to propping up industry than overseeing housing development or education, or to the other functions that a good government should provide?

Don't you think the people should generally have a say in such matters?

These are valid questions that have nothing to do with the existence of RCID.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Take yourself out of defensive mode for a second and ask yourself if you really think it makes sense that a state, as a whole, should not have the ability to say that low income housing is a more important priority than additional resort expansion for a corporation.

Then the State should have had a different process for determining how the bonds were approved. Neither Disney nor RCID had any authority to make the rules for the State. If you eliminate the RCID bonds, can you say for certainty that the very next application belonged to the County seeking the low-income housing funding?

 

[lentesta]

Here’s a photo for everyone to see. Disney would have an outstanding case.

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So we can void contracts unilaterally without cause? Perfect. No notes.

 

[Kamikaze]

So we can void contracts unilaterally without cause? Perfect. No notes.

Exactly what this law would mean, yes.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Always amazing how suddenly everyone is a legal expert. I have two questions-

1) Will the monorail have a station at the new prison?
2) Will run Disney events go through the new prison?

 

[Surferboy567]

So we can void contracts unilaterally without cause? Perfect. No notes.

Exactly what this law would mean, yes.

I’m sure this would effect any other contracts put into place in the past 3 months? Would those parties sue as well?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Beyond the setup for applying for the bonds though, do you think it's wise that a state should dedicate more resources to propping up industry than overseeing housing development or education, or to the other functions that a good government should provide?

Don't you think the people should generally have a say in such matters?

The “propping up industry” was sewer and water system infrastructure. Something the counties would otherwise have to provide. They even enter into agreements to guarantee service to such large developments to ensure they happen and without interruption. Impact fees would not be high enough to cover these costs alone.

The people are able to vote in state elections and work to change how the state allocates and limits the issuance of bonds.

 

[GBAB1973]

Exactly what this law would mean, yes.

I am curious if they still try to attack the legality of the agreement. Is this bill just a quicker way to try to accomplish their goal here of undercutting Disney or is this bill their only real option because that army of law firms they talked to told them the agreement between Disney and the RCID seems legal and tough to overcome in court.

 

[GBAB1973]

Always amazing how suddenly everyone is a legal expert. I have two questions-

1) Will the monorail have a station at the new prison?
2) Will run Disney events go through the new prison?

Is the abuilder who built Veterans Stadium in Philly still alive? They had a sweet jail in the bowels of the stadium.

 

[Chi84]

I’m sure this would effect any other contracts put into place in the past 3 months? Would those parties sue as well?

Yeah, he should have put Disney's name in it just to be sure