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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Yes and, and maybe they were lying at the time, they seemed to be open to seeing what the state legislature/DeSantis would propose. When DeSantis started floating his plans that's when Disney and the RCID went through the process they did in January/February.
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hopemax
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I did think about the skiing. However, the state already is dealing with inadequate transportation infrastructure to get to the ski areas. So unless Disney wants to help finance that, I don't see ski resort coming.
The 2 things that are fun to roll around in the brain...
1. As part of the build-up for WDW, Disney operated the Celebrity Sports Center in Denver as a management training ground. It was sold off in 1979, sold again at a later point to a Trammell Crow subsidiary (mentioning for current relevancy) and closed in 1995, and now the site is a Home Depot. But every time they have one of those nostalgia surveys it's always near or at the top of the things long time Colorado residents wish still existed. It can't be just a recreation of what it was, but if it was used as a starting point to capture that nostalgia vibe, and developed into something bigger... The South Park guys bought the nostalgia restaurant (Casa Bonita, inspired by Blue Bayou, inspiration for San Angel Cantina...) and the city is all a twitter with it's reopening, next month.
2. C.V. Wood... Disneyland developer, was contracted by Denver area business men in the late 50s to build a small theme park in Golden, CO hoping to copy Disneyland's success. The original concept failed, was sold off, but did operate between 1971-2018 as Heritage Square. According to Wikipedia, Martin Marrietta currently owns the property (there is a quarry next door, and the property is being used as a buffer). Googling, it looks like in 2019 there was some discussion about doing a land swap with the county to take over not only the park site but the quarry, and turn it into recreation space. It doesn't appear to have been revisited, I assume because the timeline ran smack into the beginning of Covid. But it seems like an opportunity to work with someone like Disney wouldn't be a hard, and immediate "no."
lazyboy97o
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I have never once thought a first come, first served system is a good one when it comes to government financing. That’s the state’s fault for making decisions that way. It has nothing to do with the District. There’s nothing to say that Orange County Utilities would not have been first in line which would have had the same result.
CentralFLlife
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Why dont you stop being defensive and ask yourself if the state should have the ability to dictate what landowners can & can’t do with their land. All because of a political statement that the landowner made.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Ok, let's note your complaint there is no diversity on the district board - because at the time of creation the state didn't mandate independent directors.
You are against this philosophically. Ok.. noted.
Do you have any real examples of why this model has failed in the case of RCID? Or is it purely a philosophical difference?
Do you have any other valid concerns? Because everything else you've thrown out to try to vilify the setup has been misinformation or just plain ignorance of what things really are or why.
And ironically now that the board does get outside directors, we can see just how sane that has gone... where they are talking about overreaching their authority with COVID crap and trashing models that have been effective to date.
The thing about outside directors who have no accountability is... it's really easy to make decisions based on things not representative of the constituents needs. Like the current board... let's lawyer up 5x different ways... who cares what the cost is, we'll just raise taxes to pay for it all. Who cares about the tax burden... we don't pay it and those that do can't do anything to us.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Just see if he can name the parties involved instead of relying what he found on wikipedia.
Stripes
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Dranth
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They did and made the choice not to, why aren't you going on about the state?
When Disney issued that statement on February 10th, the agreement between RCID and Disney had already taken place. So when he references the "framework" he knows that Disney had retained their most important controls.
el_super
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This is pretty close to what I have been saying all along: RCID wasn't worth saving. Disney could have fought to retain control, but the messaging would have been hard to control and painted them in a negative light. It wasn't worth it to Disney.
The development agreement was smart because it is a far more defensible position for Disney to take. Now they are arguing that they should be free to do what they want on their own land, rather than arguing that they should control their own government.
flynnibus
Premium Member
lol.. only applying to special districts.. good luck arguing why they would have done this kind of change anyway, regardless of RCID transition.
I guess the days of having staff that kept the elected people from going completely off the deep end are over?
Of course this is coming from the desk of the guy who brought you the "Ultimate Cancel Act" -- so I guess I should know better than expect sane governance.
lazyboy97o
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And there are towns whose populations have declined to a point where basically one family takes turn being mayor and everyone is on the city council. Should they be subjected to other authorities now that there’s not enough diversity of residency? How do you even create that criteria?
el_super
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Beyond the setup for applying for the bonds though, do you think it's wise that a state should dedicate more resources to propping up industry than overseeing housing development or education, or to the other functions that a good government should provide?
Don't you think the people should generally have a say in such matters?
LOL.
We got caught with our pants down. It appears legal what they did. So what we are going to do is make up a law that states any agreements made in the previous three months of our prior law is null and void and retroactively apply it because, as we said at the start, we got caught with our pants around our ankles.
peter11435
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This.
peter11435
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These are valid questions that have nothing to do with the existence of RCID.
Chip Chipperson
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Then the State should have had a different process for determining how the bonds were approved. Neither Disney nor RCID had any authority to make the rules for the State. If you eliminate the RCID bonds, can you say for certainty that the very next application belonged to the County seeking the low-income housing funding?
lentesta
Premium Member
So we can void contracts unilaterally without cause? Perfect. No notes.
Kamikaze
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Exactly what this law would mean, yes.