News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[tissandtully]

Twitter isn't real life. He just won reelection with 60% of the vote in what used to be a swing state.

Only thanks to Dems and their terrible candidate... hardly any dems showed up because there was no excited base for a former Republican candidate lol https://www.nbcmiami.com/decision-2...-democrats-in-major-florida-counties/2906393/

 

[lazyboy97o]

Benefits don't have to take the form of cash to be "welfare." Eliminating red tape for one entity over another is still corporate welfare.

The district created red tape that otherwise largely did not exist.

As the development agreement shows, such avenues for removing red tape are available to others.

 

[tissandtully]

So I guess you’re now upset over the corporate welfare that Disney’s Orlando competitors are receiving, yes?

Yeah definitely seems like they've got an advantage now if this actually goes through.

 

[GoofGoof]

Benefits don't have to take the form of cash to be "welfare." Eliminating red tape for one entity over another is still corporate welfare.

Disney is literally paying more in local taxes than any competitor. There’s no way to say it’s welfare. You picked the wrong term. It’s fine. Don’t keep doubling down and dragging out a losing argument.

 

[Vacationeer]

I'm not sure if you watched it live, or read the reporting on it after the fact. I watched the whole thing live, and it was extremely clear that he was joking.

You would think we'd be familiar with this pattern by now.

1. Say something that's mildly controversial and probably inappropriate while maintaining plausible deniability.
2. Watch the media completely overreact.
3. Fundraise and campaign on #2 to great success because #2 is so disproportionate that it pushes #1 out of the news cycle.

It was bait. A troll. It wasn't a bona fide policy proposal. You can still say "baiting and trolling are bad" without resorting to the hyperbole that he literally wants to build a prison at Walt Disney World.

What’s one popular saying in politics? Perception is reality.

Trying to have his cake and eat it to by making a statement that penetrates the public’s psyche, and then also allow the excuse it’s ‘trolling’. This is double down after double down after double down. He’s trying to threaten just how miserable he thinks he can make WDW’s life if he don’t get his way. Build another theme park… build low cost housing… build a state prison… all inside the Disney bubble, which it is well understood one of the reasons it is a top international destination.

The problem is he is not trying to fix anything about WDW operations. Just trying to disrupt it by throwing knives at it. Will he double down again later with jokes like ‘We’re going to build a state prison so the inmates can run the new TCFOD nuclear reactor’?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

“corporate welfare” give me a break. Orlando wouldn’t exist as it is today without RCID and TWDC. It would be a swamp. In 1966, Walt Disney wanted to build “a whole new Disney world” in a swamp with no municipal resources, no power lines, no sewage, etc. The state was happy to create a mutually beneficial agreement that allowed Disney to pay for & create municipal services to service their huge mass of land. This agreement existed for 50 years until a hostile Governor decided to wage a Culture war against Disney.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The district created red tape that otherwise largely did not exist.

No, it created the illusion of red tape.

You don't get to claim "look at all the rules I made for myself" when you're also the referee in charge of enforcing them.

 

[SplashJacket]

Twitter isn't real life. He just won reelection with 60% of the vote in what used to be a swing state.

When news organizations like this exist:

That explains that winning. It's terrifying the scale of reality disconnect in such a vast portion of the U.S.

Go there right now, and the compare it to RT, and honestly RT's propaganda seems mild by comparison. Bewildering.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This isn't what's happening in Florida.

Insurers are leaving the state altogether and dropping EVERY insured in the state. Citizens, the state run insurer of LAST RESORT is now the only option for a shockingly large number of residents.

Insurance companies only want to take premiums and not pay out any money. Yes, they leave states. Major auto insurers are pulling back in the California marketplace because they are saying our drivers are just too expensive to insure.

 

[flynnibus]

I guess you missed the press conference where he said they might consider building a state prison on the district’s land. His words not mine.

not really what he said.

He was saying maybe the land could be used for other things... more theme parks, blah blah blah.. and said 'someone even said, maybe you need another state prison, who knows, I just think the possibilities are endless'

"but the district owns other land, You know quite frankly, I wasn't even thinking about that land. This was not something that was really important one way or another, we just wanted them to live under the same rules, pay the debt, pay the taxes all that stuff. But come to think of it now people are like, well there's... what should we do with this land? And so you know, like ok [sic] people have said, maybe have another, maybe create a state park, maybe, try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said
maybe you need another state prison, who knows, I just think the possibilities are endless"

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[MagicHappens1971]

No, it created the illusion of red tape.

You don't get to claim "look at all the rules I made for myself" when you're also the referee in charge of enforcing them.

They literally created very strict building codes at a time in FL where basically nobody was enforcing building codes.

 

[peter11435]

Benefits don't have to take the form of cash to be "welfare." Eliminating red tape for one entity over another is still corporate welfare.


Could be, that's yet to be litigated. If they can establish that this legislation was retaliatory in nature, it very well might be struck down.

Replacing one brand of red tape with another brand of red tape doesn’t mean you’ve eliminated red tape.

Could be? This entire thing is unquestionably retaliatory in nature. The governor has admitted that, the legislature has admitted that, they have boasted and been proud of that fact. They haven’t even attempted to claim any other reasoning for their actions.

 

[mkt]

Insurance companies only want to take premiums and not pay out any money. Yes, they leave states. Major auto insurers are pulling back in the California marketplace because they are saying our drivers are just too expensive to insure.

This isn't only one or two. The ones that left represent a majority of the insurance market.

This is a crisis.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

This isn't only one or two. The ones that left represent a majority of the insurance market.

This is a crisis.

If I remember correctly the FL legislature actually called a special session of congress to discuss and work on the housing crisis last year and then instead used it to dismantle RCID, before they realized that was a bad idea and then reinstated it with new rules

 

[peter11435]

No, it created the illusion of red tape.

You don't get to claim "look at all the rules I made for myself" when you're also the referee in charge of enforcing them.

You seem to have a huge misunderstanding of how the district operated.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

What’s one popular saying in politics? Perception is reality.

Exactly. What is the narrative he is trying to enforce with this? That he is a petty tyrant? That he will go after even the most important businesses in the country if they go against his political agenda?

What's the big come back to the media if this is all trolling? Is it "I'm not really going to build a prison, but I am still looking at selling the monorail"?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

He isn't running for governor of Florida anymore.

Exactly.

GOP primary voters see this as a culture war against "Big Woke" corporations.

Progressives see this as fascism but they were never going to vote for him anyways, so who cares?

Disney-obsessives might have some nuanced opinions on the merits but there aren't very many of us so we don't matter.

For everyone else, they don't care about this in the slightest.

This will be a motivating factor in the primary and a non-issue in the General. Again, we can debate the merits all day long, but as a cynical political maneuver, I think it's all upside for him.

 

[tissandtully]

Exactly.

GOP primary voters see this as a culture war against "Big Woke" corporations.

Progressives see this as fascism but they were never going to vote for him anyways, so who cares?

Disney-obsessives might have some nuanced opinions on the merits but there aren't very many of us so we don't matter.

For everyone else, they don't care about this in the slightest.

This will be a motivating factor in the primary and a non-issue in the General. Again, we can debate the merits all day long, but as a cynical political maneuver, I think it's all upside for him.

Glad you are admitting that the GOP is for government retaliation. Cause that's all this "woke" nonsense is about. Silencing the corporations people disagree with. These companies aren't being inclusive out of the goodness of their hearts, they know they want to attract everyone to make money, it's just capitalism. It's funny when Rs are against capitalism and freedom of speech at the same time.

My in-laws are registered Rs and haven't voted for DeSantis at all in Florida and never will. My FIL is a lifelong biker Republican and he's fed up with the DeSantis bulls---

 

[lazyboy97o]

No, it created the illusion of red tape.

You don't get to claim "look at all the rules I made for myself" when you're also the referee in charge of enforcing them.

Except the District complied with state standards as they were created after the fact.

 

[MrPromey]

Twitter isn't real life. He just won reelection with 60% of the vote in what used to be a swing state.

And according to our state public records, voter turnout was 54%.

Clearly, with nearly half the adult population not even bothering to show up at the polls, this is all about the will of (or lack there of) the people.