Cmdr_Crimson
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Can we use Prince John now as a meme for when DeSantis doesn't get his way.
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Mr. Stay Puft
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In case anyone had any doubt what started this whole fiasco, with all the bad faith arguments, semantics, all the talk about how this is somehow Disney's fault, they had it coming, ect. Let's put that all to bed now. There is now no question, no doubts at all now.
Here is Ron DeSantis, blatantly, pointedly, admitting he and the legislature, are targeting Disney for retaliation for exercising their First Amendment right to free speech for criticizing a law he championed. It couldn't be anymore clear what motivated him to get the legislature have the state take over RCID and whatever else they could take control of Disney's operations from Disney:
deadline.com
"In his remarks, he also was clear that the move to strip Disney of control over Reedy Creek was in response to its position on the parental rights bill. “We just had to look at this and say, ‘OK, do they have a quote, First Amendment right to be advocating for gender ideology in Kindergarten? Yeah, I guess. Is that honestly faithful to their fiduciary duty to their shareholders? I don’t think so. But that’s not really in my wheelhouse as governor, but what I can tell you as governor is that under no circumstances should the state of Florida be subsidizing woke activism by allowing them to have their own government. So we took it away.” "
Here is Ron DeSantis, blatantly, pointedly, admitting he and the legislature, are targeting Disney for retaliation for exercising their First Amendment right to free speech for criticizing a law he championed. It couldn't be anymore clear what motivated him to get the legislature have the state take over RCID and whatever else they could take control of Disney's operations from Disney:
Ron DeSantis Says He’ll “Win On Every Single Issue” Involving Disney, Vows To Void Florida Theme Park Development Agreement And Threatens Hotel Taxes And Road Tolls
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is escalating his war with The Walt Disney Co., saying he'll "win on every single issue."
deadline.com
"In his remarks, he also was clear that the move to strip Disney of control over Reedy Creek was in response to its position on the parental rights bill. “We just had to look at this and say, ‘OK, do they have a quote, First Amendment right to be advocating for gender ideology in Kindergarten? Yeah, I guess. Is that honestly faithful to their fiduciary duty to their shareholders? I don’t think so. But that’s not really in my wheelhouse as governor, but what I can tell you as governor is that under no circumstances should the state of Florida be subsidizing woke activism by allowing them to have their own government. So we took it away.” "
One would think so. And the Florida Constitution has the same ex post facto law clause. One would think a Harvard law grad would know this.
Both the governor and several state legislators are on record that the dissolution of RCID was retaliation for Chapek saying the company would work to repeal HB 1557.
And attempting to nullify the development agreement between TWDC & RCID very much interfers with the rights of one party to the Agreement.
I'm waiting for board members to discover Chapters 119, 120 and 286...
According to the "Entering RCID" sign on Herzog it does.
At least until that sign goes missing....
He very much does know what he's doing.
tissandtully
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I don't think he handled COVID well, but I'm glad that you can change your opinion of someone based on new information. I wish more people had this capability instead of just rooting for a team.
Smiley/OCD
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It’s probably the OTHER Bob…
Chappie, is that you? I know you have lots of free time on your hands right now…
Mr. Stay Puft
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Agreed. Admittedly, I am a left of center liberal Democrat. But if Gavin Newsome retaliated against Chik-Fil-A, Hobby Lobby, or In-and-Out burger for expressing their conservative opposition to a proposed California law, I would be just as much appalled and opposed to it. I may vehemently disagree with those companies political and religious based views, but they have a right to express themselves and participate in the democratic process by lobbying for or against issues they support or do not.
Some will bring up the fact that Newsome retaliated against Walgreens for their position regarding providing abortion medication, but having the state deciding not to do business with Walgreens is a bit different than say, prohibiting or obstructing Walgreens from conducting business in the state, which is what DeSantis is trying to do with Disney. Newsome's actions are practically a boycott of Walgreens, but he's not directing the state to punish Walgreens in a way that would affect their business lIke say revoking their licenses. One of these things is not like the other and there is a clear distinction.
Had Newsome directed the state to say, pulling the business licenses of any of those companies I mentioned just for having an opposing political ideology would be a gross abuse of power and I would be just as vehemently opposed to those actions as I am with DeSantis. We are not supposed to be a country that directs the state to retaliate against individuals or companies just for having opposing views of whatever party or individual is in power. That's just fundamentally un-American and quite frankly, unconstitutional.
Alanzo
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Newsome isn't a grievance-based, reactionary politician. There's the basic difference.
Smiley/OCD
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To be replaced by gators and boas…
Riviera Rita
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Can we use Prince John now as a meme for when DeSantis doesn't get his way.
Leave it to the people to protest with their pockets if they don't agree with the policies of the companies whatever the reason. I never buy anything from the three companies you listed, but, I wouldn't stop anyone else from doing so. All Newsome is doing is taking the state's business elsewhere, which is different from trying to take it over completely or directly attacking it by replacing the board of directors or imposing taxes that will be paid by the customer, which is actually what DeSantis has pledged to do, tax the people even more, including non Floridians.
Smiley/OCD
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Maybe that’s why he lost all that weight…so he DOESN’T look like Chris Christie…as long as his picture isn’t taken of him in a beach chair…
JoeCamel
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Not feather ones - banned
Drdcm
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Frankly I’m surprised this has escalated so far. Neither of them should want this to escalate further. I thought for sure there was some back door dealing that would allow Disney to keep doing what they’re doing. I still wonder if something got messed up with said potential dealings, because I still have a hard time believing the state didn’t send anyone to those meetings or to review the updated land agreement.
The sad thing is, I don’t see a way for Disney to come out ahead in this. If it gets escalated further, even a legal “win” will be seen by the general public as partisan politics along partisan lines and Disney will alienate a large market share.
In general, US party allegiances are too strong for reason to prevail when thinking about this stuff. We can crap on “both sides” arguments all day, but the reality is neither side is going to change their minds on this scenario if it plays out in court system under the national spotlight.
The only way for both sides to “win”, is for it to fizzle out after they’re done beating their chests at each other.
On a side note, I truly do try to seek out the best in people - the opposite of politics. Outside the politicians themselves, I think most people don’t vote with malicious intent, they think they’re doing the right thing.
Before you call me out, please realize that I work in mental health and spend my entire day working with people who have very strong beliefs about all sorts of things. It takes a lot of effort to withhold judgement, but I work very hard at it. Although… there are some folks on these boards that irritate me
The sad thing is, I don’t see a way for Disney to come out ahead in this. If it gets escalated further, even a legal “win” will be seen by the general public as partisan politics along partisan lines and Disney will alienate a large market share.
In general, US party allegiances are too strong for reason to prevail when thinking about this stuff. We can crap on “both sides” arguments all day, but the reality is neither side is going to change their minds on this scenario if it plays out in court system under the national spotlight.
The only way for both sides to “win”, is for it to fizzle out after they’re done beating their chests at each other.
On a side note, I truly do try to seek out the best in people - the opposite of politics. Outside the politicians themselves, I think most people don’t vote with malicious intent, they think they’re doing the right thing.
Before you call me out, please realize that I work in mental health and spend my entire day working with people who have very strong beliefs about all sorts of things. It takes a lot of effort to withhold judgement, but I work very hard at it. Although… there are some folks on these boards that irritate me
lentesta
Premium Member
I'm told that Universal privately acknowledges that hurting Disney also hurts them in Orlando. Their Orlando business is down.
Mr. Stay Puft
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That's the same for every company that shares an industry with other companies. What's good for Disney is also good for Universal, Sea World, Busch Gardens, and Legoland. Just as what's good for Shell is also good for Chevron, BP, Texaco, ExxonMobil, ect.