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[Vegas Disney Fan]

Had a Democratic governor tried this, I would be just as willing to bash them.

The sad thing is many people would probably flip flop on the side they argue, I lean right but wrong is wrong, when someone does something wrong they should be called out on it whether you’re on “their team” or not.

 

[FettFan]

The key takeaway I have from all this is:
if I ever launch a company that turns out successful, I shall *continue* to not donate any money to any politician or political campaign. Ever.

I don't need any of this High Popalorum or Low Popahirum infecting and poisoning everything I've worked for.

 

[Vacationeer]

Disney had their rights violated because it was the GOVERNMENT that acted to stifle that speech. Twitter can ban whoever they want for nearly whatever they want as they are not the government. Huge difference and one the constitution and nearly all existing case law supports.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. Florida can stop any state agency from doing business with Disney, they can ask all citizens to boycott Disney, they can tell Disney they suck and will get no special consideration going forward but they can't pass a law to target Disney in retaliation for protected speech. The ONLY time a government gets away with that is if there is enough wiggle room in a case to prove it wasn't about speech. However, in this case, Disney has quote after quote after quote of the governor, the legislature and the newly appointed board all basically confessing that this was a retaliatory move.

And I cannot find complaints of Disney/RCID being any way negligent. It’s not like the public needed to be rescued or even taxpayers needing to be rescued.

Biggest issue was ’Where did the purple signs go?!” Not sure if that’s relevant but the point being RCID was managed extremely well.

I’ve yet to hear a clear consistent valid motivation from the lawmakers.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

That’s fine, I have no problem with that…just everyone time down the bashing…if it was coming from the other side, this would’ve been purged by now. That’s all I’m saying…

Can't say I agree. The only thing I've seen from the other side is complete conjecture. I have yet to see a single statute or piece of case law to demonstrate that what Disney has done is illegal in any way, shape or form. That's the difference here.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The sad thing is many people would probably flip flop on the side they argue, I lean right but wrong is wrong, when someone does something wrong they should be called out on it whether you’re on “their team” or not.

The problem is we're seeing a lot of the usual technique of imaginary hypocrisy.

"People would react a different way IF it was their side doing it".

That's not how this works. Unless someone can cite actual examples of people changing their tune based on who is doing it, they have no grounds to make such a claim. It's doing the whole "both sides are the same" routine without any actual examples of both sides doing the same thing.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The problem is we're seeing a lot of the usual technique of imaginary hypocrisy.

"People would react a different way IF it was their side doing it".

That's not how this works. Unless someone can cite actual examples of people changing their tune based on who is doing it, they have no grounds to make such a claim. It's doing the whole "both sides are the same" routine without any actual examples of both sides doing the same thing.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because any attempt to counter this would be 100% political and would involve controversial topics we aren’t allowed to discuss here.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

We all knew that was coming. Regardless, he's term limited here in Florida. Changing that is not something he can get the legislature to slip through. It would require amending the state Constitution, which has a much higher threshold in the state. Either way, he's gone in 3 years, and this is a case that can drag on through the courts for a decade if they so desire.

The legislature can't change the state constitution unilaterally in Florida. That would have to be put to a vote and 60% of voters would need to approve it. He wouldn't be able to muster that sort of support.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Can't say I agree. The only thing I've seen from the other side is complete conjecture. I have yet to see a single statute or piece of case law to demonstrate that what Disney has done is illegal in any way, shape or form. That's the difference here.

I NEVER said that the other side was right…I said the name calling and bashing should stop…we’re all above that

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I understand your concern, but this particular subject is going to be impossible to avoid either side from bashing the other. Some are going to be vehemently anti-DeSantis pro-Disney, some are going to be pro-DeSantis and anti-Disney, and some are going to be somewhere in between. Both sides can hammer out their differences without the typical name calling and insults that are typical of political discourse on social media.

Then we’re in agreement…have you read some of these comments? I AGREE, he screwed up…the name calling and insults should stop…that’s all I’m saying.

 

[mmascari]

I understand your concern, but this particular subject is going to be impossible to avoid either side from bashing the other. Some are going to be vehemently anti-DeSantis pro-Disney, some are going to be pro-DeSantis and anti-Disney, and some are going to be somewhere in between.

Well, there's your problem right there. If someone is approaching the discussion with a perspective based on a side, might as well stop now. They're not going to add any value and nobody is going to convince them of anything. They're not discussing a topic, just cheering on a side. Head on over to Wide World of Sports and root for a team.

You can spot the better posts that present information, facts, citations, and then add their own opinion on why they think those facts will play out one way or the other. Those are the informed posts.

You can also spot the cheer squad trying to back into a rationalization of those things to support a side. Even when that rationalization requires some pretty big exaggeration or head burying.

The sad thing is many people would probably flip flop on the side they argue, I lean right but wrong is wrong, when someone does something wrong they should be called out on it whether you’re on “their team” or not.

If they're flip flopping because of side, they're just the cheer squad and are not serious. People who stick to the facts and their implication regardless of side are much more interesting.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

We’ll have to agree to disagree because any attempt to counter this would be 100% political and would involve controversial topics we aren’t allowed to discuss here.

In other words, topics no one here is able to express an opinion on therefore not relevant to any claims that anyone here is being a hypocrite.

 

[Minthorne]

Can a district sue a developer for an agreement that it itself legally entered into with itself?

Can I be my own Grandpa?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Not mine, but fantastic:

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/42209287-king-charles-iii-improvement-district?fbclid=IwAR3xcRq5x5OH08muzAuD1Lr_Nj3Q99pjaB3Vv3GZWyUVQIyah_Rv2cbsqXo&store_id=1570

 

[Mr. Stay Puft]

And I cannot find complaints of Disney/RCID being any way negligent. It’s not like the public needed to be rescued or even taxpayers needing to be rescued.

Biggest issue was ’Where did the purple signs go?!” Not sure if that’s relevant but the point being RCID was managed extremely well.

I’ve yet to hear a clear consistent valid motivation from the lawmakers.

I miss the signs with Mickey hiding behind them with his gloves holding up the sign. Those were really exciting to see when I was a kid.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

I NEVER said that the other side was right…I said the name calling and bashing should stop…we’re all above that

Sorry, I misunderstood.

 

[Mr. Stay Puft]

The problem is we're seeing a lot of the usual technique of imaginary hypocrisy.

"People would react a different way IF it was their side doing it".

That's not how this works. Unless someone can cite actual examples of people changing their tune based on who is doing it, they have no grounds to make such a claim. It's doing the whole "both sides are the same" routine without any actual examples of both sides doing the same thing.

The issue is Disney has plenty of legit criticisms and concerns that aren't necessarily political, and some that are political.

But there's so much misinformation going around, ESPECIALLY on the side of "Disney had it coming & deserves this," that's concerning. I see so much about "Disney doesn't pay any taxes!" to "Disney gets special treatment that no other entity in Florida has!" and so much fundamental misunderstanding, at best, of how RCID worked and the arrangement Disney had with state.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

The issue is Disney has plenty of legit criticisms and concerns that aren't necessarily political, and some that are political.

But there's so much misinformation going around, ESPECIALLY on the side of "Disney had it coming & deserves this," that's concerning. I see so much about "Disney doesn't pay any taxes!" to "Disney gets special treatment that no other entity in Florida has!" and so much fundamental misunderstanding, at best, of how RCID worked and the arrangement Disney had with state.

I am still seeing people who think that Disney somehow uses RCID to "pay itself" in taxes and circumvents it's obligation to pay FL state taxes.

 

[trainplane3]

I am still seeing people who think that Disney somehow uses RCID to "pay itself" in taxes and circumvents it's obligation to pay FL state taxes.

I have a relative that said that. Well, along with "the governor must be right so it's Disneys fault".

 

[Mr. Stay Puft]

I am still seeing people who think that Disney somehow uses RCID to "pay itself" in taxes and circumvents it's obligation to pay FL state taxes.

I feel like because the complicated arrangement Disney had with Florida and the complex nature of special taxing districts like RCID makes a lot of people feel like because they can't understand how it all works, it must somehow be a bad thing and the state is correct in resolving it to make it uncomplicated. It makes it ripe for a politician like DeSantis to step in and look like he's sticking it to a well known entity that has a complex arrangement with the state to make it seem like that arrangement let's Disney "get away" with something for so long, and DeSantis gets to look like a hero to some for "fixing" it.

Of course, I'm willing to bet most of those who support DeSantis doing this didn't have a problem with Disney and the RCID arrangement until they were told it was a problem that needed correcting. Nuisance about what actually started this dispute aside.

 

[Riviera Rita]

Ah, remember the good old days when politicians were elected to represent the people and were there to work to improve the lives of those people no matter who they had voted for in the election?
Now it's all about pushing your product, raising your personal profile and finding more and more ways to be petty meanies.
Not just talking about the US, my insignificant little town is currently suffering shenanigans on the political front.