News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I am very familiar with the process. The bar is really not that high.

And even if they need that level of argument and documentation, your resolution only comes after a court contest. No court is going to issue an injunction that allows a building to be built because it’s the exact opposite of the purpose of an injunction.

That win is also only related to that one issue. The board can deny Project A for baseless reasons, Disney can start legal challenges and then the board can deny Project B. Even after Disney wins the cases for Projects A and B, the board can still go ahead and deny Project C. The judge can write a ruling scolding the board for denying projects for baseless reasons but that’s it. The court has no mechanism to actually stop the board from continuing to deny actions. The court can’t change the board or their decision making process, only the governor can do that.
I guess we shall see. If what you say is true the district will block everything and nothing will happen and it will be pretty obvious. I suspect that won’t be the outcome but as I said we shall see. Maybe then Disney just sells the park and exits FL.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I guess we shall see. If what you say is true the district will block everything and nothing will happen and it will be pretty obvious. I suspect that won’t be the outcome but as I said we shall see. Maybe then Disney just sells the park and exits FL.
Why all the extremes? This isn't productive conversation
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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This looks like one of those "Beware what you ask for, you just might get it" bills. He may think its a great idea now. But if it became law and a Governor, Cabinet, and majority of the Legislature switch parties at some point in the future, he might not like it then. For that reason, I hope it goes nowhere.

I think that with a lot of legislation that is proposed.

For the authors it’s all about making the press and getting re-elected, the long term consequences (if it actually passes) are the next guys/gals problem.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
I guess we shall see. If what you say is true the district will block everything and nothing will happen and it will be pretty obvious. I suspect that won’t be the outcome but as I said we shall see. Maybe then Disney just sells the park and exits FL.
That I doubt. They won't sell their cash cow.

But they can limit additional investment in it.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Why all the extremes? This isn't productive conversation
I don’t disagree. But is the desire constructive conversation at this point? When anyone expresses an opinion that’s anything other than this is completely horrible and will result in all horrible things they get jumped on and told they are wrong. I think at this point everyone has said all there is to say so we shall see how it all plays out. If/when all this doom and gloom never materializes I’m sure the same people will be back saying they were wrong ;)
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
When anyone expresses an opinion that’s anything other than this is completely horrible and will result in all horrible things they get jumped on and told they are wrong.
It's possible that nothing will be done. That feels very off message from what is being said will be done though. But, it is certainly possible.

I think that is distinct and different though. It's when people say that it cannot be done that they're told they're wrong and given examples of exactly how the horrible could be done.

There's two different questions at hand.

Will the district be used to control Disney?
Can the district be used to control Disney?

The second is easy, yes the district can be used to control Disney. For all kinds of things completely unrelated to whatever is desired to be controlled.

The first is all opinion. Disney, as far as we can tell so far, is betting that it will not be used to control them, at least not beyond a level they are prepared to accept. Everyone here assuming the same is in good company, they're in agreement with what Disney has publicly said so far.

My opinion is that Disney is wrong, but I've got no problem with someone betting they are right (see above). The language coming from Ron appears to be that he desires significant control. That could be all bluster. My opinion is that it is not all bluster, but maybe it is. Maybe it really is all just campaign lies and not going to backed up by action. That still feels wrong to me.

On any given topic, in every thread on the board, their are posters that agree with Disney and posters that think Disney management is completely wrong. If we eliminated all management posts, the site would be quite slow. :cool:

Also of note, the "can the district control Disney" crowd is full of people who are willing to imagine really bad faith interactions and how power can be abused without any constraints.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
Iger and Rupert Murdoch are friends. And Murdoch still owns 10 billion in Disney shares, right?

If this board becomes a nuisance (which seems more and more likely to me) I’m sure some pressure could be applied to the DeSantis coverage on a certain cable channel and their website.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
It's possible that nothing will be done. That feels very off message from what is being said will be done though. But, it is certainly possible.

I think that is distinct and different though. It's when people say that it cannot be done that they're told they're wrong and given examples of exactly how the horrible could be done.

There's two different questions at hand.

Will the district be used to control Disney?
Can the district be used to control Disney?

The second is easy, yes the district can be used to control Disney. For all kinds of things completely unrelated to whatever is desired to be controlled.

The first is all opinion. Disney, as far as we can tell so far, is betting that it will not be used to control them, at least not beyond a level they are prepared to accept. Everyone here assuming the same is in good company, they're in agreement with what Disney has publicly said so far.

My opinion is that Disney is wrong, but I've got no problem with someone betting they are right (see above). The language coming from Ron appears to be that he desires significant control. That could be all bluster. My opinion is that it is not all bluster, but maybe it is. Maybe it really is all just campaign lies and not going to backed up by action. That still feels wrong to me.

On any given topic, in every thread on the board, their are posters that agree with Disney and posters that think Disney management is completely wrong. If we eliminated all management posts, the site would be quite slow. :cool:

Also of note, the "can the district control Disney" crowd is full of people who are willing to imagine really bad faith interactions and how power can be abused without any constraints.
The appointees include a number of clearly ideological people that have an axe to grind because of Disney’s positions on topics that have nothing to do with their responsibilities as board members. Unfortunately, these board members are accountable to the governor of Florida (whoever that person may be) and nobody else. The state has roughly 22 million residents, the majority of which could care less about Disney’s troubles.

Where is the structure for accountability?
 
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Figgy1

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The appointees include a number clearly ideological people that have an axe to grind because of Disney’s positions on topics that have nothing to do with their responsibilities as board members. Unfortunately, these board members are accountable to the governor of Florida (whoever that person may be) and nobody else. The state has roughly 22 million residents, the majority of which could care less about Disney’s troubles.

Where is the structure for accountability?
HI! Long time no see, hoping you're well
There doesn't seem to be any
 

lazyboy97o

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It’s a small data point, but the very fact that this story is out there is evidence against the “one day story that will blow over” thesis. There’s clear national media interest in this story, which could in turn attract attention seekers to the CFTOD board. For example, something that wouldn’t get media traction at a shareholders meeting could get pickup at CFTOD public comment.
Speaking of meetings, for those who didn’t look, the 2023 meeting schedule is also the other item of new business that the Reedy Creek Improvement District Board of Supervisors will be discussing on Wednesday. It seems odd for a bunch of people soon to be out of a job to discuss their future meetings, but it may be something that is somehow required.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
Speaking of meetings, for those who didn’t look, the 2023 meeting schedule is also the other item of new business that the Reedy Creek Improvement District Board of Supervisors will be discussing on Wednesday. It seems odd for a bunch of people soon to be out of a job to discuss their future meetings, but it may be something that is somehow required.
If it was binding on the future, it would be hilarious if they set a schedule to meet every day in person from now on.

Some of the new board members live a significant distance from RCID headquarters. 😂
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
If it was binding on the future, it would be hilarious if they set a schedule to meet every day in person from now on.

Some of the new board members live a significant distance from RCID headquarters. 😂
Remember though that the new board is only compensated through covered expenses and a per diem for meetings. So excess meetings.

The least interesting answer I can think of is they are just due to schedule their meetings and they have to continue to do what they are required to do until officially replaced. Maybe someone else has a better explanation.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Iger and Rupert Murdoch are friends. And Murdoch still owns 10 billion in Disney shares, right?

If this board becomes a nuisance (which seems more and more likely to me) I’m sure some pressure could be applied to the DeSantis coverage on a certain cable channel and their website.
The story of the sale of Fox to Disney implies that they were friendly, but not actually 'friends.'

Rupert has a 4.25% stake in Disney stocks.
 

castlecake2.0

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Remember though that the new board is only compensated through covered expenses and a per diem for meetings. So excess meetings.

The least interesting answer I can think of is they are just due to schedule their meetings and they have to continue to do what they are required to do until officially replaced. Maybe someone else has a better explanation.
Are the board meetings open to the public? I’m thinking things could get interesting real quick when the new members start to meet. I wonder if they’ll provide bottled water on their desk so they don’t accidentally get turned gay…
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Are the board meetings open to the public? I’m thinking things could get interesting real quick when the new members start to meet. I wonder if they’ll provide bottled water on their desk so they don’t accidentally get turned gay…
Yes, Board of Supervisors meetings must be scheduled in advance, open to the public and held within the district. The typical meeting place is the Reedy Creek Improvement District building on Hotel Plaza Blvd but this week’s meeting has been moved to the B Resort.
 

GimpYancIent

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The Disney Company see's everyone equally, falling into one of two categories. Those that have money and those that do not. If you have money by all means welcome, if you do not have money, we have nothing for you until you get some money. Merch, activities, presentations, media will portray all kinds of messaging but in actuality corporate Does Not Care. The Disney Company will present whatever facade management believes will bring in money. So yeah, TWDC is about equality.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The Disney Company see's everyone equally, falling into one of two categories. Those that have money and those that do not. If you have money by all means welcome, if you do not have money, we have nothing for you until you get some money. Merch, activities, presentations, media will portray all kinds of messaging but in actuality corporate Does Not Care. The Disney Company will present whatever facade management believes will bring in money. So yeah, TWDC is about equality.
That’s part of what the article I posted was saying:

“As society evolves, companies need to update their policies to keep up. That’s not "wokeism" — it’s sensible business. And it's inevitable that there will be uncomfortable moments when cultures clash and companies get tangled in fights they’d rather avoid because they end up alienating somebody.”

As I said many, many pages back…you can’t please everyone. Taking a stand alienates some, not taking a stand alienates others. Disney and other companies need to make a call on where they stand on many issues and I agree with the article that in general taking a position and sticking to it is generally the best play.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Are the board meetings open to the public? I’m thinking things could get interesting real quick when the new members start to meet. I wonder if they’ll provide bottled water on their desk so they don’t accidentally get turned gay…
If the county water made me turn flush with cash I'm all for it.
 

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