lazyboy97o
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And, as has been explained, they are not. Disney is NOT RCID, they are not the same thing. RCID is the government entity and is (or was previously) directly responsible to all of it's constituents. At the same time, Disney is still part of the counties it is in and subject to them too.
So, you fundamentally disagree with a fiction.
A thing that doesn't happen. You posted an example of one local government angry with another local government. You also posted example of large companies interacting with local governments completely independent of any RCID function.
Again, you seem to be disagreeing with a thing that does not exist or is not related to RCID at all.
The same reason it was needed to begin with. It provides public service within its boundaries and is able to collect an additional tax to support this that is not restricted by county tax rules and not collected from anyone outside of the district.
The entire local population within the RCID boundaries has (or had before) a say in how the district ran.
Without RCID, which was not eliminated anymore, the new boundaries would be the county instead of just the current RCID boundary. Everyone within the county would need to pay for services.
Why do you want to burden the entire county with the cost of providing services to to a minority area that has high costs?
RCID didn't do anywhere. The name changed. The entire legal structure, taxing, and service obligations all remained exactly the same. The only change was the local governed no longer get any say in electing the boss. Instead one is appointed without input by the governor.
Why are you so pro big government controlling everything you do and say?
If Orange County decides that it needs to do a hostile take over of Lake county, would that work he same way?
Also, with the changes neither Orange or Osceola counties have any more say over who is in charger of RCID.
TP2000
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This seems to sum it all up nicely. Thank you!
(I'm still going to read the full bill shortly, though.)And the "local governed" is the Walt Disney Company, correct? Or are the residents of Golden Oak included in this?
Knowing affluent gated communities fairly well, something tells me that average resident of Golden Oak isn't exactly a Socialist and probably likes Governor DeSantis and his legislative priorities. So I doubt there'll be much pushback there.
flynnibus
Premium Member
No, I'm fully up to speed on that. There's no change in taxation for local taxpayers and residents! Good news! They fixed it!
So, what else has changed? I haven't seen much evidence of real change at WDW.
Instead of asking everyone to give you a personal briefing or derailing the thread with wild presumptions - why not look at the posts starting on the day the bill was introduced where it was reviewed? I'll help... https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...eek-improvement-district.976968/post-10518588
Then you clearly aren't paying any attention and instead just want to tout some left/right non-sense. Meanwhile, many people are fearful of the precedent the Gov and his lackeys have set and keep building upon.
Repeating the same non-sense like 'popularity' and 'there was an election' is enormously ignorant of the actual issue - the blatent disregard for the constitutions of both the US and Florida. Something that bydesign was intended to be non-partisan.
Figgy1
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Golden Oak residents live in unincorporated Orange County, with Orlando addressesThis sums it all up nicely. Thank you!
And the "local governed" is the Walt Disney Company, correct? Or are the residents of Golden Oak included in this?
Knowing affluent gated communities fairly well, something tells me that average resident of Golden Oak isn't exactly a Socialist and probably likes Governor DeSantis and his legislative priorities.
el_super
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But it still exists within the county, and the county has, over several examples, shown that the burden being placed on it, is not in line with the amount of tax they are able to create. The benefit to Disney was always having more control over the taxes collected and shutting out the local government, so why is that necessary NOW? Shouldn't the local government have more of a say in the operations occuring within their borders?
But the entire population was Disney. So they alone had a say on what happened in the district.
Gotta pick a side I guess. Either pro-government or pro-corporations.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Thank you, my dear!
That's probably the smart way to set that up for those residents.
It also reinforces to me that the original RCID setup from 1967, with the assumption that there would a city of thousands of people living long-term on Disney property, needed to be amended to reflect the actual reality of just theme parks and hotels. This probably should have been done 30 years ago when it was obvious Walt's vision from 1966 was never going to happen, but here we are today doing it now instead.
I'm off to read the bill in its entirety. Wish me luck!
Chip Chipperson
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They have no say over it, nor should they because they pay no taxes to RCID. For that matter, residents of Tampa, Tallahassee, Miami, etc. have a say in how RCID is run, by your logic. Imagine if your city had a mayor and council appointed by the governor. You'd be ok with that? By your own reasoning, you should be because you still have "some say" over who gets appointed even if you have to accept the fact that people hundreds of miles away with no skin in the game have equal say (maybe even more if your city leans in the opposite direction as the rest of your state).
Yet, you posted many many uninformed posts and continue to do so.
While there are some political posts here, the vast vast VAST majority of them are about the specifics and information that clearly confuses you.
That you don't actually care about any of the details, just that your team is making the call explains it all.
Either put up some actual details that related to actual things, or just stop posting. This isn't a discussion about policy in general. It's about the specifics at they related to RCID. A topic you have admitted you are ill informed about and posted lots of misinformation about.
el_super
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No, because of the context. This has already been explained.
Do you think they should? So let's change this up a bit. Let's say that Disney was instead a toxic waste site (and yes, I know some would argue it already is).
Do you think that the citizens of Orange or Osceloa or even the broader citizens of Florida should not have a say on whether that business continued in their state?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
The hot cocoa is ready now, I'm off to read the bill! Then I need to do a Target run in town, and contemplate what I've just read in the bill.
I will return once I have read the CFTOD bill in its entirety, and I look forward to sharing my Deep Thoughts on the matter.
Golden Oak is not within the RCID boundary. There's a lovely interactive map on the RCID site showing the boundaries and exactly what land is directly owned by RCID vs just within the district and owned by someone.
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Disney Analyst
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You know. I think it’s fine to be against RCID.
I don’t think the reason why it was dissolved is okay, and anyone who defends it is a silly goose.
You can say that RCID should have been changed long ago, but you should also admit the reason it’s changing is sketch, corrupt, and political.
I don’t think the reason why it was dissolved is okay, and anyone who defends it is a silly goose.
You can say that RCID should have been changed long ago, but you should also admit the reason it’s changing is sketch, corrupt, and political.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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That’s a bit of a misnomer. The comparison between City of Anaheim and RCID is apples and oranges.
The new mayor of Anaheim was opposed by Disney’s political action committee as the incumbent was defeated. The mayor and council are still elected by the people of the city. There have also been prolific critics of Disney across the political spectrum (including councilman Moreno and Mayor Tait) elected in Anaheim who have been successful at building coalitions to block TDA projects (like the 4th hotel, eastern gateway, etc) in the past as a result of policy disagreements over past tax/land use agreements.
Governor Newsom does not appoint members of the Anaheim city council. They are elected by the voters and the local political pendulum has shifted on the council multiple times both in favor and against Disney/SOAR based on local issues with Disney and not cultural firestorms.
That would be a loss they could easily sue for
The control benefit is often misrepresented. Use the World Drive project as an example. RCID doesn't get to ignore regulations about road construction. The control Disney gets is that as the voting group governed by RCID they can set priority that the World Drive project should be done at all. They don't have to compete with 100 other Orange county road projects for which one is at the front of the list. In exchange for this control and ability to set priority they have to pay for the entire project. The World Drive work being done by RCID is a public road within Orange count that Orange county will spend exactly $0 on maintaining. Since Orange county isn't paying for or maintaining it at all, why should they get a say in the project?
So? That's the way the district happens to be structured. That doesn't change that it's a normal government structure in FL that should be under the control of its constituents.
In the the western US, there's towns with almost nobody in them too. What's the minimum population before that's enough to have a government?
How things have changed. The party is now pro government control of corporations. I guess, Go Team?
Go read the original one too. As has been pointed out here multiple times, it wasn't about a city before either and was more concerned with tourism.
TalkingHead
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Joke’s on them, the Florida Dem Party hasn’t even been organized for fifteen years or so.Well, his party did just submit legislation to eliminate the democratic party in Florida so, and he's clearly petty, so...
New bill would eliminate Florida Democratic Party
The Florida Democratic party would not exist if a new Senate bill is passed and signed into law.www.wesh.com