News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GimpYancIent]

I absolutely love WDW, but they deserve what they are getting.

Yes, Disney's issue's / problems are self-inflicted. Choices and decisions have consequences when chasing quick profits regardless of debts.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, Disney's issue's / problems are self-inflicted. Choices and decisions have consequences when chasing quick profits regardless of debts.

…wait…did I take the exit ramp onto the chapek/Iger thread?

 

[GimpYancIent]

…wait…did I take the exit ramp onto the chapek/Iger thread?

Its's all become intertwined. Wow quite the spider web.

 

[Tom P.]

Even if that turns out to be the case, this isn’t just about Disney.

No, it isn't. But this forum is about Disney and that is, at least I thought, supposed to be the focus of the discussion. And, I thought, according to the rules, we weren't supposed to be having political discussions except in the very narrow context of Disney.

Plus, I've learned over the years that the membership of this forum overwhelming leans one way politically and I lean the other, so no good ever comes from me wading into political discussions.

 

[mmascari]

Hmmmmm. Maybe, just maybe, some creativity might occur and sayyy build overhead solar panel arrays over the multitude of parking lots the property has thus providing shade and harvesting solar energy for power and not further destroying green space. Just a thought.

With the change in management, something like this is just different. Not necessarily more or less likely.

The theme park parking lots are clearly Disney property and not RCID property. Which means, putting solar on them would be more of a Disney decision than an RCID one.

In theory, RCID could rent the space from Disney to install a Solar array over the parking lots. With some interesting contracts around the physical changes, producing power, who makes the capital purchases, who runs them, and what not. But, it clearly is NOT the same as RCID putting up solar panels on land that RCID owns. Having RCID do it would require a joint project. One assumes this would be much less likely now.

On the other hand, Disney could do an entire solar install over the parking lots by themselves. Completely independent of the district, other than permitting. They would need to either sell this power back to someone or create their own interconnection mixing where the parks consume the power directly and mix it in with off site provided power. Something like this would clearly be a Disney project.

Having a good relationship with the district and the district providing power at a service level and cost that is desired makes the first option (or not doing it) more favorable. However, if the district providing power reduces its service level or the cost goes up beyond the service level delivered, then the second option starts to look

 

[flynnibus]

Or theme park or regulatory experience. I had heard rumours that Fried might be named chair, but I think that may have fallen through. Also had expected perhaps a theme park academic or something, since people with actual theme park experience seemed to be right out...

I'd be fine if they ignored theme parks and just started with someone who even had any responsibility with a town, county, or even staff experience. Instead we got typical political appointments with zero overlap with their responsibilities towards the district.

 

[rezzyk]

This has probably already been answered, but I have a question. There are people who live in Reedy Creek, right? And were they able to be part of the Board? If so, that means this new law stripped them of their representation. If anyone has a case in court it would be them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can you provide an example of a significant Disney proposal that was delayed or canceled by RCID because it wasn’t well-reasoned? I very well could be wrong.

Admittedly, I don’t have all the facts. I do know that the new board is bound by law to represent the interests of the landowners in the district.

I wasn’t talking about proposals killed by RCID. I’m talking about the broad powers afforded to local governments regarding planning and development. Projects can get rejected for having windows that are too big. There are all sorts of regulations that can be enacted and processes used to delay and/or prevent work and it’s not something courts will undo.

 

[mkt]

This has probably already been answered, but I have a question. There are people who live in Reedy Creek, right? And were they able to be part of the Board? If so, that means this new law stripped them of their representation. If anyone has a case in court it would be them.

A handful of people live in the district, and the argument will be that they have representation in Orange/Osceola Counties.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wasn’t talking about proposals killed by RCID. I’m talking about the broad powers afforded to local governments regarding planning and development. Projects can get rejected for having windows that are too big. There are all sorts of regulations that can be enacted and processes used to delay and/or prevent work and it’s not something courts will undo.

And since of a board of non-expert hacks…they can stop things for no legitimate reason and then waste time and money in kangaroo courts

 

[flynnibus]

Isn't Reedy Creek like a billion dollars in debt? Seems accurate for a government agency to be honest...and aligns with how efficient Disney itself is with money.

Really? You think that's what their bonds mean?

Don't you have someone that could look over your posts and save you from yourself?

 

[MisterPenguin]

$100 million operating budget and 1 billion debt. Good job reedy creek. You really showed other governments how to run things. Have fun paying that Disney.

All the infrastructure projects that the RCID builds costs billions. It is financed over time thru bonds.

And in the end, Disney pays for it thru the RCID 'taxing' Disney.

This way, Disney doesn't have to first raise a tens of millions dollars so that it can pay for the project with cash. And it doesn't have to get a loan from a bank. Instead, Disney 'asks' the RCID for a new DS garages and a complete overhaul of the highway. RCID bonds the project. Disney pays back over time.

And then a new project is started. And another one. That's how the overall debt gets up to 1 billion.

The bonds are attractive to investors looking for tax free (I think) investment that pays higher than what the going rate is. But higher returns means holding onto the bond longer. And that's how they pile up to a billion.

 

[Stripes]

Projects can get rejected for having windows that are too big. There are all sorts of regulations that can be enacted and processes used to delay and/or prevent work and it’s not something courts will undo.

That’s true but, to use your example, regulations and restrictions on window size or shape are formed in response to local resident/landowner concerns about new developments not fitting in with existing structures.

That doesn’t apply in this case because Disney owns almost all of the land and any nearby structures are virtually guaranteed to be their own. Secondly, Disney is already mindful of making sure new structures conform to their surroundings.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I think we are at the point now where we should ask disney this. They have been almost radio silent and seem like they are going along with this change. At this point, this is probably what is most interesting to me. Not much fighting back, unless what we are seeing now was the deal made.

I’m still optimistic they’ve got a deal behind the scenes, RCiD is more or less the same, new name, new faces, but otherwise intact as it was before the circus began.

They could also be waiting for the board to make a hostile decision before they initiate legal action. We’re in uncharted territory.

 

[flynnibus]

That’s true but, to use your example, regulations and restrictions on window size or shape are formed in response to local resident/landowner concerns about new developments not fitting in with existing structures.

That doesn’t apply in this case because Disney owns almost all of the land and any nearby structures are virtually guaranteed to be their own. Secondly, Disney is already mindful of making sure new structures conform to their surroundings.

Wut? Regulations and Restrictions are written by the governing body... not always based on resident concerns, but based on what is believed to be the common good.

The interpretation of the compliance and the rules themselves are not up to Disney.

 

[Andrew C]

I’m still optimistic they’ve got a deal behind the scenes, RCiD is more or less the same, new name, new faces, but otherwise intact as it was before the circus began.

They could also be waiting for the board to make a hostile decision before they initiate legal action. We’re in uncharted territory.

I really don’t think the board will be hostile.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m still optimistic they’ve got a deal behind the scenes, RCiD is more or less the same, new name, new faces, but otherwise intact as it was before the circus began.

They could also be waiting for the board to make a hostile decision before they initiate legal action. We’re in uncharted territory.

No I don’t think so…

 

[Chi84]

Your question is leading and is only based in opinion, not fact.

How is it leading? How is it based on opinion?

If you mean my opinion is that the actions regarding the RCID were retaliatory, the governor has said so. The government enacted legislation in response to Disney’s opposition to a law.

I’m not sure how my question was leading. Do you believe Disney’s opposition to a law favored by the a majority of the people of Florida justified the action taken by their duly elected governor?

 

[Chi84]

Report it to law enforcement?? That's not really how you think the Constitution is upheld, is it???

It can be. The problem is when law enforcement is the body violating the constitution.

 

[Andrew C]

The state of FL (and the appointed governing board of the district) have a vested interest in WDW succeeding.

Which is really the reason why i think these worst case scenarios about intentional sabotage won’t come about.