News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Elijah Abrams]

Would that make you happy?

I’m just wondering if the company will be financially impacted, negatively, from losing RCID. It’s not like I have a grudge against Disney now.

 

[el_super]

Disney might have figured out fighting with the government isn't the best thing to do for the business.

While that statement is probably true, there is a 0% chance that Disney stays out of politics.

There is no point in fighting the government today. It's easy to blame this all on one lone wolf governor, but an entire legislative body backed him up, and both of them were put into power by a majority of state residents. There is no point in fighting the entire state of Florida in court and the media.

What they will do is still produce the type of inclusive media they have to make. The type that speaks to their artists, the type that speaks to the majority of their customers. They cannot fight the broader market trend.

What also will happen is a very subtle campaign to move the needle in Florida politics and advocate for change that will ultimately be beneficial to their business. The type of subtle campaign that will unfold in the course of years and decades, not just one election cycle.

It shouldn't be too hard to for Disney to find a moderate that will both be pro-bisiness and also turn a blind eye to their inclusion programs. Once they do they will make sure they are installed as governor.

And in the end, nothing will really change. Except maybe that Disney will have to sell more lightning lane passes to pay for their PACs.

 

[flynnibus]

There is no point in fighting the government today. It's easy to blame this all on one lone wolf governor, but an entire legislative body backed him up, and both of them were put into power by a majority of state residents. There is no point in fighting the entire state of Florida in court and the media

'entire legislative body'? No, that wasn't it at all.. but please keep sharing your awesome tales.

What you had is one PARTY who was aligned - who happen to hold the majority in both houses and the gov.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It all goes back to Disney interjecting themselves into a bill that has nothing to do with their business. In laymen's terms "unforced error"

Participating in what is supposed to be participatory governance is not an error.

 

[el_super]

What you had is one PARTY who was aligned - who happen to hold the majority in both houses and the gov.

Yeah. And who elected them to the majority?

So Disney can’t fight but they’ll somehow “install” a governor?

There's nothing really to fight. Unless you are a fan of special tax districts.

 

[LittleBuford]

In laymen's terms "unforced error"

Is that a principle in law, too?

 

[MAGICFLOP]

Participating in what is supposed to be participatory governance is not an error.

Participate as individual citizens, but not on behalf a company, or else get responded to as a company, which happened.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There's nothing really to fight. Unless you are a fan of special tax districts.

There’s plenty to fight. And yeah, I’m a big fan of RCID. But even if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t be supporting a precedent to completely strip away the setup of hundreds of local governments without the involvement of those impacted.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Participate as individual citizens, but not on behalf a company, or else get responded to as a company, which happened.

No, groups of citizens are allowed to participate.

 

[MAGICFLOP]

Is that a principle in law, too?

sure thats what lawyers call it when a question is asked in court which the asker did not know the answer beforehand

 

[el_super]

There’s plenty to fight. And yeah, I’m a big fan of RCID. But even if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t be supporting a precedent to completely strip away the setup of hundreds of local governments with the involvement of those impacted.

RCID only exists as a weird perversion of democracy that comes straight from a Henry Ford fever dream. You don't honestly think that corporations should be allowed to own towns or counties do you?

Sure maybe the residents of Bay Lake could file a suit for disenfranchisement, but there is no way that happens without the PR disaster of showcasing how the "residents" aren't really residents but just officers of TWDC. That's really the fight to be avoided here.

 

[Dranth]

Participate as individual citizens, but not on behalf a company, or else get responded to as a company, which happened.

Got it. Have you told SCOTUS this? They seem to be under the mistaken impression that companies can say what they want and donate to who they want without government retribution. I’m sure they will be glad to learn they were wrong.

 

[Chi84]

Participate as individual citizens, but not on behalf a company, or else get responded to as a company, which happened.

Whose interpretation of the constitution is that? It goes against legal precedent. Unless you're saying that you personally think that's how it should be instead of how it is.

 

[lazyboy97o]

RCID only exists as a weird perversion of democracy that comes straight from a Henry Ford fever dream. You don't honestly think that corporations should be allowed to own towns or counties do you?

Sure maybe the residents of Bay Lake could file a suit for disenfranchisement, but there is no way that happens without the PR disaster of showcasing how the "residents" aren't really residents but just officers of TWDC. That's really the fight to be avoided here.

Yeah, it’s so perverse how they created a whole open regulatory framework where one didn’t exist and could have just been hidden as part of corporate structures. It’s so perverse how they created model regulations that could be adopted by others. It’s so perverse how they didn’t make others pay for their infrastructure. But yeah, maybe a more capricious zoning commission with a complete lack of local input is what would make it a true model of democracy.

They are residents. They’re also not the only parties involved with standing.

 

[LittleBuford]

sure thats what lawyers call it when a question is asked in court which the asker did not know the answer beforehand

I think you understood my question as I intended it. Democratic governments aren't supposed to punish individuals or companies for "unforced errors". You might like what's happened on a personal level because it aligns with your politics, but you ought to ask yourself whether the principle that's been established—that private individuals and companies should curtail their legally protected free speech in order not to face government retribution—is really one you're OK with.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Disney probably is gonna play a long game and start gathering dirt on DeSantis and his cronies while watching how badly DeSantis's fools mismanage reedy creek. This may seem like a capitulation for now but disney always manages to win in the end. That is why disney has never had to sell itself unlike its rival theme park competitors. Honestly in the grand scheme DeSantis is now a fish slowly eating a bait on a hook and its only a matter time before disney pulls DeSantis into a fight he has never had to face before.

How does Disney win by allowing the district to be mismanaged? It’s not just Disney who could be harmed. Mismanagement of the district could result in other consequences like environmental damage.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Yes. Every state has different rules. In FL the law has changed many times but most recently in 2018 they clarified the rule to include people holding state office running for President or Vice President. As others have pointed out the legislature can just pass a new bill reversing the rule but as it stands today he would need to step down.

The intent of the law is to prevent people from using their current state office as a platform to move on to national positions. It also ensures that if someone is focusing on a national campaign and spending a lot of time out of state that someone local who is focused on the state steps in.

Thanks to both for answering…I only asked because in NJ, when Christie ran for POTS, he remained in office while declared.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

It all goes back to Disney interjecting themselves into a bill that has nothing to do with their business. In laymen's terms "unforced error"

It has to do with their employees and their customers, so…their business.

And I suppose if the Rosa Parks protest happened today, Disney should just stay out of it? At what point is it not their moral obligation to do the right thing? Is the right thing unclear to you in that example?

Is that a principle in law, too?

Such a feisty tone for you!

RCID only exists as a weird perversion of democracy that comes straight from a Henry Ford fever dream.

It exists because of an agreement made based on the conditions on the ground at the time. Disney wanted to gamble big on some unwanted swampland. Now that it’s paid off, we (FL) should renege on the deal?

 

[el_super]

They are residents. They’re also not the only parties involved with standing.

It would probably look a whole lot better if some non-disney entity came out to fight it. Where are they? Shouldn't they have released statements if they were being impacted?

 

[MAGICFLOP]

I think you understood my question as I intended it. Democratic governments aren't supposed to punish individuals or companies for "unforced errors". You might like what's happened on a personal level because it aligns with your politics, but you ought to ask yourself whether the principle that's been established—that private individuals and companies should curtail their legally protected free speech in order not to face government retribution—is really one you're OK with.

No, I think everyone should think / speak for themselves and act for themselves and no government retaliation for any speech.

with that said, If a group speaks thats fine as long as they all support that position, but at the company I work at, I would be angry if they put out a statement on behalf of all employees we feel that xxxx (something I dont agree with)

I dont care about the issue of the bill that Disney weighed in on, I care more that they weighed in on a matter not directly related to their business.