News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[lazyboy97o]

RCID isn't worth saving, no matter the reason for its demise.

Are you under the impression the district is being dissolved?

 

[el_super]

No, but it would have made getting these bills to his desk more difficult and possibly with alteration.

So what makes more sense? A direct assault thru the courts and battling a state government that is almost completely opposed to you, or taking a step back and exercising your first amendment rights to quietly change minds over the course of years?

Disney knows what they are doing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No, I think everyone should think / speak for themselves and act for themselves and no government retaliation for any speech.

with that said, If a group speaks thats fine as long as they all support that position, but at the company I work at, I would be angry if they put out a statement on behalf of all employees we feel that xxxx (something I dont agree with)

I dont care about the issue of the bill that Disney weighed in on, I care more that they weighed in on a matter not directly related to their business.

You were just telling us it was fine for the government to retaliate. You personally not liking Disney’s decision is not equivalent to government retaliation.

 

[el_super]

Are you under the impression the district is being dissolved?

No I am not.

Let me clarify by saying, Disney's control of RCID isn't worth saving.

 

[UNCgolf]

No I am not.

Let me clarify by saying, Disney's control of RCID isn't worth saving.

That's really misframing the issue. It's not about Disney's control; it's about local control. The state government taking control and eliminating any local involvement isn't a better outcome -- it's just obfuscated by the fact Disney is a giant corporation.

This sets a precedent that the state could do exactly the same thing with any municipality. There would be a much larger outcry if the state government was replacing the mayor and city council of Orlando with governor appointees, but it's essentially the same thing that's happening with the former RCID.

 

[mmascari]

RCID only exists as a weird perversion of democracy that comes straight from a Henry Ford fever dream.

Which part does this?

Can you state an example of something RCID does that’s fits this description?

 

[Drdcm]

No, I think everyone should think / speak for themselves and act for themselves and no government retaliation for any speech.

with that said, If a group speaks thats fine as long as they all support that position, but at the company I work at, I would be angry if they put out a statement on behalf of all employees we feel that xxxx (something I dont agree with)

I dont care about the issue of the bill that Disney weighed in on, I care more that they weighed in on a matter not directly related to their business.

If you aren’t happy with their actions, you can choose not to give them your business. Market pressure determines the intelligence of those decisions.

As for the employees, the disgruntled employees can choose not to work for them if the company doesn’t share their values. That works both ways.

Personally, I chose to leave a hospital that I felt had despicable practices regarding psychiatric patients even though it used to pay me a lot more than I earn now.

Either way, the government shouldn’t be retaliating against people who speak out with legal action.

 

[el_super]

That's really misframing the issue. It's not about Disney's control; it's about local control.

But.. it's not. Someone in Burbank California decides who lives there.

 

[el_super]

Which part does this?

Can you state an example of something RCID does that’s fits this description?

See above.

 

[UNCgolf]

But.. it's not. Someone in Burbank California decides who lives there.

That's completely irrelevant, though. It makes no difference to the precedent being set.

You're falling into the trap of missing the forest for trees -- which is why I made the Orlando example. There's no special legal carveout because Disney is a giant corporation with decisions being made in Burbank.

 

[mmascari]

See above.

Above what? There are no examples above.

 

[el_super]

That's completely irrelevant, though. It makes no difference to the precedent being set.

Yes it does. When the governor comes to dissolve Orange County, we can go over app the ways that is different.

 

[AshaNeOmah]

the disgruntled employees can choose not to work for them if the company doesn’t share their values.

I wish everyone really believed this. We'd hear a lot less complaining about workplaces and 'bad' corporations and more actual quitting.

 

[mmascari]

None of the published analyses I've read since the news broke interpret the statement as other than a full concession on Disney's part

None of the reporting or analysis can even explain how RCID functions correctly. Certainly none of the opinion pieces have explained it correctly. The reporting is so bad with even basic facts, it’s no wonder any analysis is poor.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yes it does. When the governor comes to dissolve Orange County, we can go over app the ways that is different.

No it doesn't -- I get the impression you fundamentally don't understand what's being discussed.

That makes it a waste of time to respond to you because it'll just be talking in circles.

 

[MAGICFLOP]

You were just telling us it was fine for the government to retaliate. You personally not liking Disney’s decision is not equivalent to government retaliation.

When did I say I agreed with government retaliation? I missed that one...

 

[Drdcm]

I wish everyone really believed this. We'd hear a lot less complaining about workplaces and 'bad' corporations and more actual quitting.

Yeah that part is pretty wishful thinking.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's completely irrelevant, though. It makes no difference to the precedent being set.

You're falling into the trap of missing the forest for trees -- which is why I made the Orlando example. There's no special legal carveout because Disney is a giant corporation with decisions being made in Burbank.

I think it’s perverse that Universal doesn’t want to include the people of Volusia County in paying for the transit improvements they are seeking. It’s disgusting that Universal and the other landowners want to pay for their desired improvements and have a say in that process.

 

[GoofGoof]

When did I say I agreed with government retaliation? I missed that one...

You said this:

It all goes back to Disney interjecting themselves into a bill that has nothing to do with their business. In laymen's terms "unforced error"

Participating in what is supposed to be participatory governance is not an error.

Participate as individual citizens, but not on behalf a company, or else get responded to as a company, which happened.

Isn’t that saying they shouldn’t have spoken out and got what they deserved? What am I missing?

 

[MAGICFLOP]

You said this:



Isn’t that saying they shouldn’t have spoken out and got what they deserved? What am I missing?

You are not reading it as I intended it. Like or not we live in hyper weaponized environment (DOJ, IRS, Judicial and Legislative), Disney or any company wading into any waters that they do not need to go into is dangerous for the company as a whole and even if Disney escaped what FL did, they face losing consumers that fundamentally disagree. We live in a hyper partisan country these days and people get set off easily, G. Bush said once that he hatted broccoli and some people went nuts.