lazyboy97o
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Cite the precedent.
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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peter11435
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Nobody’s challenging their intent. Their intent is known. They made it known.
Chi84
Premium Member
Why do you believe Disney would have to prove that every single vote was done with intent to harm Disney?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Strawman - the legislators are not all completely independent beings.
It's just complete circumstance the vote went party line? Stop being obtuse.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
Right?
By his logic nothing a legislature body (state or federal) did could ever be challenged.
Quite the red herring you’re throwing in here.
Where in this bill does the state restrict or curtail anyone’s free speech? I don’t see Loyalty oaths and mandatory registrations either.
Still waiting for anyone to provide compelling evidence that the intention of every single affirmative vote was to punish Disney.
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Maybe I am just misunderstanding your argument and I am going to assume you aren't trolling.
A couple of things...
First, it doesn't matter if every person in the entire government of Florida came out and said it wasn't targeted at Disney. If a bill/law violates protected rights it is not legal and should be shot down. Legality is not determined by intention; it may influence the legal response but in and of itself, it’s irrelevant.
If what you are saying was a viable defense, a whole giant pile of laws would have never been overturned in the history of this country because it would just take a few law makers claiming "I didn't mean it that way."
Second, a law/bill does not need to name the individuals that are being harmed to be determined to have violated those people’s rights. In most cases laws don't name specific entities.
Finally, I agree with your last point. Disney seems to be going along with this so they have made the choice not to fight, at least for now. Maybe one day there will be a book that lays it all out but until and maybe even then, none of us will know the whole story.
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That won’t cut it in a court of law and you know it.
You’re falling into the trap of letting your personal feeling guide your argument.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Recommend you actually do some reading before you reply again. This is getting comically bad - You're aruging without even knowing the scope of what has been determined to be violations of the 1a.
Ergo the very definition of a strawman.
I'll help you along... no one will because it doesn't actually matter.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
And yet you continue to refuse to cite the precedent. This should be incredibly easy if it is so well established.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
I don’t think you would
Drdcm
Well-Known Member
A cursory google search will provide multiple statements from state reps and DeSantis about why they are doing this for reasons other than retaliation for speech.
Here’s one:
“If you look at the bill, at least a dozen things where powers they had like building their own nuclear power plant is gone. There are another dozen things that were modified,” said House Speaker Paul Renner. “But the most important thing is that they were the watchdogs of themselves, and now they’re not. The governor’s appointees will be fully in control of that special district.”
After demanding an example over and over, there is an example.
Before you attack me, I don’t believe this is the true motivation. I’m just responding to all your demands with “evidence” and a “citation”.
Now please inform me of my philosophical fallacies, even though I fundamentally agree with you, for daring to call you all out in your bs. I will just ignore it moving forward.
Here’s one:
“If you look at the bill, at least a dozen things where powers they had like building their own nuclear power plant is gone. There are another dozen things that were modified,” said House Speaker Paul Renner. “But the most important thing is that they were the watchdogs of themselves, and now they’re not. The governor’s appointees will be fully in control of that special district.”
After demanding an example over and over, there is an example.
Before you attack me, I don’t believe this is the true motivation. I’m just responding to all your demands with “evidence” and a “citation”.
Now please inform me of my philosophical fallacies, even though I fundamentally agree with you, for daring to call you all out in your bs. I will just ignore it moving forward.
Disney only cares about their bottom line. This entire ordeal has been a major self inflicted error in their part.
They have painfully learned that politics and theme parks don’t mix. So now that the activist element has been sidelined, both sides appear to have come to terms and can both save face, and expect that nanosecond attention span of the professional outrage class on the internet will put this in the rear view mirror.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
It’s amazing to learn that in every case where the courts ruled against the government regarding freedom of speech that it was all because the lawyers forgot to say “That’s not what they meant.”
Oh no a personal attack. The surest indication when someone has nothing to go on.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
Oh please. You’ve ignored me and everyone else when we’ve challenged your belief here and have refused to supply precedent to validate your opinion.
Zummi Gummi
Pioneering the Universe Within!
Is to possible Disney is simply waiting out the clock on DeSantis, who’ll be gone in either 2 or 4 years? Neither Jeannette Nunez (lieutenant governor) nor Ashley Moody (attorney general), either of whom would be the presumed favorite for the GOP nomination to succeed him, are anywhere near as combative as he is.
My other thought is that perhaps they’re waiting to file suit until this board tries to prevent them from building something that they deem to be “woke”?
My other thought is that perhaps they’re waiting to file suit until this board tries to prevent them from building something that they deem to be “woke”?
DeSantis Declares Victory, but Disney World Keeps Many Perks
The Florida governor gained control of a board that oversees some services at the resort, while Disney maintained a special tax district.By Brooks Barnes Feb. 10, 2023Updated 5:59 p.m. ET
Gov. Ron DeSantis gained control on Friday of a five-member Florida board that oversees development and safety services at Walt Disney World, a move that restricts Disney’s autonomy but leaves in place perks enjoyed by the company as part of a 56-year-old special tax district.
Last year, at the urging of Mr. DeSantis, the Florida Legislature revoked Disney World’s designation as a special tax district — a privilege that effectively allowed the company to self-govern its 25,000-acre theme park complex.
“I will not allow a woke corporation based in California to run our state,” Mr. DeSantis said at the time. “Disney has gotten away with special deals from the State of Florida for way too long.” Disney, which is Florida’s largest private employer, had paused political donations in the state and defied Mr. DeSantis by condemning an education law that opponents call “Don’t Say Gay.” It prohibits discussion about sexual orientation and gender identity through the third grade and limits it for older students.
The problem: The abolishment of the district — set for June 1 — would require taxpayers in two counties to pick up the tab for Disney World services like fire protection, policing and road maintenance. Under the old setup, Disney paid for those costs. The district also carried roughly $1 billion in debt, which would be transferred to the counties.
So the Legislature tried again, taking up a new Disney World measure in a special session that started on Monday. This time, Disney would be allowed to keep the special tax district and almost all its perks, including the ability to issue tax-exempt bonds and approve development plans without scrutiny from certain local regulators. But Disney would no longer be able to appoint the five members of the tax district’s board. Florida’s governor would get to do that.
The bill passed the State House on Thursday and the State Senate on Friday. Mr. DeSantis claimed victory earlier in the week. “There’s a new sheriff in town,” he said.
Mr. DeSantis has relished campaigning and fund-raising against what he calls “woke” corporations — chiefly Disney but also, over the past couple of years, the National Collegiate Athletic Association and Ben and Jerry’s — as well as certain math textbooks and the former top prosecutor in Tampa, whom Mr. DeSantis removed from office. Last year, he signed the Stop WOKE Act, a law that limits the teaching of aspects of racism and other history in schools and workplaces.
Before the special session, Disney hoped that it would retain the ability to appoint at least a couple of the board members.
“For more than 50 years, the Reedy Creek Improvement District has operated at the highest standards,” Jeff Vahle, Disney World’s president, said in a statement, noting that the resort has been able to grow into “one of the largest economic contributors” in Florida because of the district. “We are focused on the future and are ready to work within this new framework.”
The board makeup is important because members vote on Disney World development efforts, like building a new hotel or access road or an additional theme park. The worry is that a politicized board could delay or even block such plans. (Blocking development efforts and associated job growth is not something Florida’s Republicans are known for doing, however.)
The board does not have the power to dictate the content that Disney offers to its customers.
Disney World is already extensively developed, lessening the potential impact. The complex includes four theme parks; an outdoor shopping mall; a 220-acre basketball, soccer, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball and competitive cheer complex; and 18 Disney-owned hotels with 24,000 rooms. The complex attracts an estimated 50 million visitors annually.
The tax district’s comprehensive plan, which was recently updated and approved, already gives Disney the ability to build a fifth theme park, two additional water parks and thousands of hotel rooms on 850 acres. (The company has indicated no plans to do so.) The plan extends until 2032.
Along with putting the board in the hands of political appointees, the measure changed the tax district’s name to the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District. Disney will also be barred from building a nuclear power plant or an airport at the resort — things that were never on its to-do list anyway.
Florida has hundreds of similar special tax districts. One covers the Villages, a colossal senior-living community north of Orlando. Another covers Daytona International Speedway and the surrounding area.
DeSantis Declares Victory as Disney Is Stripped of Some 56-Year-Old Perks
The Legislature approved a bill that restricts the autonomy of Florida’s largest private employer over a fight involving the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
We’re not unaware of these statements. They’re not factual and came after the fact to try and provide better justification.