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[flynnibus]

Thanks. That explains how it went from "just a thought" to "it's passed" so fast. A serious of unfortunate steps.

I was thinking more of after it was passed and sent to the Governor to sign. Based on reading here, it didn't sound like it was immediately signed but took some time. I also don't remember it being part of a big media event when signed, just kind of done.

If actually passing it was a big deal and desired political outcome, I would have expected a full blown media circus to sign it as fast as possible. You know, the type of event where every letter in the signature is with a different pen and they're handed out.

It sounded like it was more of a delay, and then quietly signed and the news reported on it after the fact. Like someone catching the tiger by the tail and then going "whoops, guess I need to hold on now". The delay and lack of spectacle could have been second thoughts. Doubled down and went with it then anyway, but may have blinked for just a second there.

I think more is being read in here.. and that was the intent with that 'retelling' of the passing.

The situation described about no debate was just the HOUSE situation when they voted on the 3rd reading on the 21st. Not said was things like them waiving the standard rules on reading to advance this faster (which was challenged in the Senate on the 19th). And on the 19th, people were challenging how much time was given to debate and when the laws would be voted on. None of that was due to the protests in the House on the 21th.

The senate debated the bill on the evening of the 19th and again on the 20th. The house had debate at the second reading on the 20th.

The houses finished their business on the 21st - the govenor signed the bill on the the afternoon of 22nd. Not really any delay there..

 

[JohnD]

Thanks. That explains how it went from "just a thought" to "it's passed" so fast. A serious of unfortunate steps.

I was thinking more of after it was passed and sent to the Governor to sign. Based on reading here, it didn't sound like it was immediately signed but took some time. I also don't remember it being part of a big media event when signed, just kind of done.

If actually passing it was a big deal and desired political outcome, I would have expected a full blown media circus to sign it as fast as possible. You know, the type of event where every letter in the signature is with a different pen and they're handed out.

It sounded like it was more of a delay, and then quietly signed and the news reported on it after the fact. Like someone catching the tiger by the tail and then going "whoops, guess I need to hold on now". The delay and lack of spectacle could have been second thoughts. Doubled down and went with it then anyway, but may have blinked for just a second there.

This link shows that the bill was presented to him on 4/21. He had until 5/6 to take action on the bill. He signed it the very next day, 4/22.

 

[JohnD]

I think more is being read in here.. and that was the intent with that 'retelling' of the passing.

The situation described about no debate was just the HOUSE situation when they voted on the 3rd reading on the 21st. Not said was things like them waiving the standard rules on reading to advance this faster (which was challenged in the Senate on the 19th). And on the 19th, people were challenging how much time was given to debate and when the laws would be voted on. None of that was due to the protests in the House on the 21th.

The senate debated the bill on the evening of the 19th and again on the 20th. The house had debate at the second reading on the 20th.

The houses finished their business on the 21st - the govenor signed the bill on the the afternoon of 22nd. Not really any delay there..

I clarified I was referring to the House. Yes, the Senate had already passed the bill. However, the protests on the Congressional District bill are fact. The Special district bill could have been debated--there was a robust debate on the Congressional District bill--but alas.

As for waiving the rules, especially in a special session, that happens frequently. The Special Session was due to end the very next day, Friday. So they moved the vote up by one day.

 

[flynnibus]

I clarified I was referring to the House. Yes, the Senate had already passed the bill. However, the protests on the Congressional District bill are fact. The Special district bill could have been debated--there was a robust debate on the Congressional District bill--but alas.

'could have' - but the Majority leader spiked it. Honestly, it doesn't matter either way.

I don't condone any of the behavior in the house by those reps - but let's be real - it's immaterial to how this bill was advanced or it's outcome or 'how it happened so fast' as referred to by the other poster.

I don't buy for a minute this 'happened quicker than expected'. This thing was setup from the start to advance as quickly as possible through the statehouse.. and the guy signed it the very next day. There is no 'oops'... things pretty much went to their plan minus skipping one debate.

 

[JohnD]

'could have' - but the Majority leader spiked it. Honestly, it doesn't matter either way.

I don't condone any of the behavior in the house by those reps - but let's be real - it's immaterial to how this bill was advanced or it's outcome or 'how it happened so fast' as referred to by the other poster.

I don't buy for a minute this 'happened quicker than expected'. This thing was setup from the start to advance as quickly as possible through the statehouse.. and the guy signed it the very next day. There is no 'oops'... things pretty much went to their plan minus skipping one debate.

I never made an inference nor "more is being read in here.. and that was the intent with that 'retelling' of the passing". I only typed my recollection of events as they were happening on final passage. I was watching the live stream.

 

[mmascari]

There is no 'oops'... things pretty much went to their plan minus skipping one debate.

That makes them all the more foolish at every level. At least if one cog in the machinery jumped the gun, the other could argue they were left with going forward vs backing down. Doubling down and going forward was still foolish.

This was such a better plan when it was just press and media talking. Actually doing it has so many pitfalls.

The March 2023 date may get them past the FL election. But, if they burn the state down in March 2023, that's going to look poor on the national stage.

It's going to be really poor on the FL stage too, and all the people impacted.


I didn't miss someone posting some actual plan being announced to avoid that catastrophe did I?

 

[JohnD]

That makes them all the more foolish at every level. At least if one cog in the machinery jumped the gun, the other could argue they were left with going forward vs backing down. Doubling down and going forward was still foolish.

This was such a better plan when it was just press and media talking. Actually doing it has so many pitfalls.

The March 2023 date may get them past the FL election. But, if they burn the state down in March 2023, that's going to look poor on the national stage.

It's going to be really poor on the FL stage too, and all the people impacted.


I didn't miss someone posting some actual plan being announced to avoid that catastrophe did I?

For the record, here is how events occurred on the House floor on 4/21/22. Start at 1:46:16, just before the vote on the Congressional District Bill (2C). Make of it what you will.

 

[JohnD]

'could have' - but the Majority leader spiked it. Honestly, it doesn't matter either way.

I don't condone any of the behavior in the house by those reps - but let's be real - it's immaterial to how this bill was advanced or it's outcome or 'how it happened so fast' as referred to by the other poster.

I don't buy for a minute this 'happened quicker than expected'. This thing was setup from the start to advance as quickly as possible through the statehouse.. and the guy signed it the very next day. There is no 'oops'... things pretty much went to their plan minus skipping one debate.

I know there is a lot of inside baseball as what occurred when and why. But this is worth mentioning -- there WAS discussion ("questions") on 2nd reading -- the House's version (3C). That was on 4/20 and can be found here, starting at 1:40:57. As both the House and Senate bills are identical and the Senate passed their bill first, on 4/21 there was every reason to waive 2nd reading of the Senate bill and go straight to 3rd reading and, hopefully, debate of 4C. As my prior link to events that transpired, that didn't happen.

 

[flynnibus]

I know there is a lot of inside baseball as what occurred when and why. But this is worth mentioning -- there WAS discussion ("questions") on 2nd reading -- the House's version (3C). That was on 4/20 and can be found here, starting at 1:40:57.

Yes, as I already noted in the first reply

It doesn't need to be belabored - like the Minority Leader said all the way at the START of the session on the 19th when he questioned the scheduling of the readings.. they knew it wasn't going to change the outcome

 

[lazyboy97o]

Copyrights don't allow you to charge more. They allow you to prevent other people from profiting off of your copyrighted materials. Huge difference.

These people are a pile of jackasses.

Nor are there special Disney copyrights. While Disney lobbied for the extensions they are not only applicable to Disney.

 

[mikejs78]

My suspicion is the vast majority of people, Republicans, Democrats, and independents, don't care what Disney says or does in regards to politics. It's a very tiny minority that is freaking out over this.

 

[mmascari]

I'm not trying to excuse the government overreaches, but let's not pretend that Disney didn't cede their status as a beloved American institution by acquiescing to a policy preference of the far left. You lose the status of "beloved institution" when you alienate large swaths of the American populace, as they have done in in recent weeks.

Is that really what they did? And, just now?

I'm pretty sure Disney was working on workforce retention and happiness with any of their statements in recent weeks. Cold hard calculating math on worker turnover and replacement in the current economy. Along with any PR impacts around worker statements related to company actions and how they would look. The most business of business things.

Happy workers (but not to happy), happy company. As the saying goes (sort of, work with me here a little).

 

[GoofGoof]

Guys this is getting way off topic at this point. Avoid the desire to respond. People have different views but let’s move back to the topic of the thread. RCID.

 

[mmascari]

Disney relies in large measure on remaining in the good graces of parents to remain profitable, it's a bad fiscal decision as well.

Some people don't like something Disney does, and they don't buy Disney products.
Some people don't like something Disney does, and they spend away anyway.
Some people like what Disney does, and they spend away.
Some people like what Disney does, and they spend away even extra, more and more to show that like.

I would argue their core market is the middle two.

Trying to avoid losing the first group is mostly a wasted effort. There either isn't enough of them, or they'll be mad about something no matter what. Doesn't matter if it's mad they said X or mad they didn't say X, or some other topic all together.

The last group is mostly a unicorn and exists more related to the direct content produced and not to other actions taken by Disney.

 

[GimpYancIent]

As in WW1 the disputing sides have dug in / entrenched and are hurling munitions at each other while making no advances.

 

[GoofGoof]

I honestly don't see how one can remain "on topic" when the whole thing is a political ploy to begin with.

It’s not that hard. I‘ve posted a whole lot of times in this thread and I haven’t expressed one opinion either way about the bill that started all of this. I agree that it’s impossible to talk about dissolving RCID without talking about the “why” it was done which was obviously politically motivated so some politics has to creep in, but IMHO we can stay on that topic without getting into the back and forth on the original bill. Would I like to respond some times? Yes, but it solves nothing and we’ve been asked not to. I’m not saying it’s easy, and I know this issue hits close to home for many people.

 

[flynnibus]

I'm sure polling of removing RCID will be strong too when the script writers start calling it the "Make Disney pay their fair share" act.

This thread has jumped the shark... certain people insist on trying to recreate their politics forum. Enjoy your spin doctors.. I can't take the 'truth seekers' anymore.

 

[TheGuyThatMakesSwords]

Let's all just VOTE. No one will change my mind. No one will change yours. The alternative is something we have already gone through, around 1861-1865.

 

[mmascari]

I'm also less confident, but suspect, that as politics becomes a far more a part of the day-to-day lives of Americans, entertainment choices, and other things consumers spend money on, will be influenced by the political stances of the companies offering them.

Have you actually met any Americans?

I'm pretty sure Bob Chapek could announce tomorrow that Disney pays him with the tears of children unable to meet Mickey after waiting in line for an hour and it wouldn't impact the Dr. Strange attendance on Friday at all.

 

[GoofGoof]

I’ve enjoyed the discussion around RCID and the pitfalls of the current plan including some geeking out on municipal bonds and 1st amendment rights and dare I say I’ve learned a few things along the way. I still think the most likely outcome is a compromise that keeps RCID or a version of RCID in place long term. I guess we will need to wait and see. I’m going to take a break from the thread for a while so if you respond to one of my previous posts and I don’t respond back that is why. Be kind and see ya all at the parks or at least those of you who are still going