News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Goofyernmost

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I agree except for your last sentence.

(Says an educated person.)
Well, it was a bit of an exaggeration, but the past few years indicates that many of those folks are not looking past this moment in time and what they personally will gain right now. As usual, it was a statement that assumed people would know it didn't apply to everyone.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I believe the next play would be to move offshore. The Bahamians would probably welcome them with open arms.
I know this isn’t a serious consideration, but right now labor costs are one of the biggest drags on profits for a resort the size of WDW. Off shore labor is much cheaper. That’s why an all-inclusive in Punta Cana can offer high end services for the same price as a much lesser resort in the US. I’m not advocating a move like this, but it could be somewhat appealing from a profit standpoint.
 

GoofGoof

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On the day that the bill was brought to the floor, the Legislature intended to debate it first. Make no mistake. It still would have passed. But the Congressional District vote was first (2C). Democrats decided to exercise a protest on the House floor as the House was voting on the Congressional District bill. After that vote, the Special District bill was next (4C). The Speaker tried to get everyone into debate posture but the Democrats were still protesting the Congressional District Bill. He warned that a motion would be made on no debate on the special district bill and a vote would immediately occur if the House didn't resume decorum. It didn't happen. The no debate motion passed by voice vote and the Legislature immediately went to vote on the special district bill.
The problem with that is the “debate” was between politicians without all the facts and circumstance and without the expertise to layout the impact of this bill. It would have been politicians on both sides grand standing and spewing political talking points. If it went through normal process and not a special session there would have been time to call in actual experts on things like municipal debt. It would have been better to layout all of the options and potential pitfalls and then come up with an actual plan that didn’t require a lot of double talk and telling people there’s a plan but it’s a secret and you will find out soon what it is. No matter what side people are on with this issue it’s impossible not to acknowledge that there are real big question marks with no known solution. That could have been avoided, but at the cost of a quick political victory.
 

GimpYancIent

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Considering only about around 44% of Americans have a passport (based on my back-of-napkin math), I think that idea is a non-starter.
One interesting piece of real estate that belongs to a U.S. territory in the Caribbean (Puerto Rico), that piece of real estate is the island of Vieques. A former U.S. Navy training range long since relegated to commercial / residential property that is not high on the buyers' market. An organization such as Disney could do a lot with it. For U.S. people to visit no passport would be necessary and Puerto Rico I am sure will not mind doing lucrative tourist business with TWDC. Just saying.
 

erstwo

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The author of the paper has a whole book on the creation of the District, Project Future: The Inside Story Behind the Creation of Disney World. I’d love to read his current thoughts.
Now you made me go pull it off my shelf :) When you first mentioned it I knew the name, but wasn't sure if I read it. I just went over there and yup.. its there. But looks kinda untouched, guess I need to read it :)
Every time I visit this thread I feel like Elle Woods ‘What, like it’s hard?’ So I missed the April 22 post. Just saw the one from yesterday.

The author is an acquaintance of mine. He works (in a roundabout way) in city government now. I run into him about once a week.

When this hit, he got he got multiple requests for interviews for print and various other media (podcasts and such). If you Google his name and ‘Reedy Creek’ - lots of links come up.

A good summary quote of his thoughts might be, ‘This (action taken by Florida/ the FL Governor) is so shortsighted.’
 

mightynine

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One interesting piece of real estate that belongs to a U.S. territory in the Caribbean (Puerto Rico), that piece of real estate is the island of Vieques. A former U.S. Navy training range long since relegated to commercial / residential property that is not high on the buyers' market. An organization such as Disney could do a lot with it. For U.S. people to visit no passport would be necessary and Puerto Rico I am sure will not mind doing lucrative tourist business with TWDC. Just saying.
It's an interesting thought, but I would guess an even greater threat of hurricane impacts would nip that in the bud real quick.
 

Chip Chipperson

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150M potential US customers plus all the Brits and Canadians and Brazilians already traveling to FL. I think it would work and maybe the crowds will be a little lighter😜😜😜😜

If they came up with a way to build a resort at Castaway Cay or the new Bahamian private beach location they're building, I'd stay there as long as it was convenient to get to. They could make it a 2-3 night stop on a cruise itinerary or something and build the hotel price into the cruise price (or make it an upcharge - something like private bungalows with concierge service for your luggage, with limited bungalows available and the other guests returning to the ship each night). Tell FL that they'll consider building more hotels and park expansion when the atmosphere isn't so hostile.
 

GimpYancIent

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It's an interesting thought, but I would guess an even greater threat of hurricane impacts would nip that in the bud real quick.
The hurricane threat is no more than anywhere in Florida or for that matter Cast Away Cay, it would also provide an additional layover for Disney Cruise Line vessels.
 

GoofGoof

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One interesting piece of real estate that belongs to a U.S. territory in the Caribbean (Puerto Rico), that piece of real estate is the island of Vieques. A former U.S. Navy training range long since relegated to commercial / residential property that is not high on the buyers' market. An organization such as Disney could do a lot with it. For U.S. people to visit no passport would be necessary and Puerto Rico I am sure will not mind doing lucrative tourist business with TWDC. Just saying.
They may even allow Disney a special municipal taxing district to fund construction and bring the mouse to the island. Sure 50 years later they may pull the rug out after building the state economy up considerably but that‘s 50 years of profits 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
 

mightynine

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The hurricane threat is more than anywhere in Florida or for that matter Cast Away Cay, it would also provide an additional layover for Disney Cruise Line vessels.
I'll give you Florida (and the threat of stronger storms impacting the US may have already started some conversations about whether Orlando is viable long-term), but dealing with potentially major repairs to Castaway Cay compared to a full-borne resort seems like a stretch.
 
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GimpYancIent

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They may even allow Disney a special municipal taxing district to fund construction and bring the mouse to the island. Sure 50 years later they may pull the rug out after building the state economy up considerably but that‘s 50 years of profits 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Yes, too true, ultimately it is about the money.
 

Lilofan

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If they came up with a way to build a resort at Castaway Cay or the new Bahamian private beach location they're building, I'd stay there as long as it was convenient to get to. They could make it a 2-3 night stop on a cruise itinerary or something and build the hotel price into the cruise price (or make it an upcharge - something like private bungalows with concierge service for your luggage, with limited bungalows available and the other guests returning to the ship each night). Tell FL that they'll consider building more hotels and park expansion when the atmosphere isn't so hostile.
I would love to stay at Castaway Cay for a few days , the cast that work on the island live in trailers near the plane runway . The infamous past pre Disney of the island was interesting read and why the long island airport runway served for a variety of purposes for small aircraft refueling coming from South America destined for points in USA besides the trolley ride to the adult beach.
 
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Robbiem

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I would love to stay at Castaway Cay for a few days , the cast that work on the island live in trailers near the plane runway . The infamous past pre Disney of the island was interesting read and why the long island airport runway served for a variety of purposes for small aircraft refueling coming from South America destined for points in USA besides the trolley ride to the adult beach.
Castaway cay could make a good spot for a second role play resort. Maybe something based on a treasure hunt you could even combine it with a special cruise for a longer experience
 

Robbiem

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I've dealt with people with doctorates from very prestigious colleges that didn't have the common sense god gave a Gnat. There can be a huge difference between educated people and intelligent people. One has to have either intelligence or daddy's with deep pockets to get a top notch degree. There are literally millions of people with almost no formal education the are massively intelligent. It is impossible to get an educated person to understand that reality.

EDIT: That last sentence was a certain degree of exaggeration! Everyone is welcome to determine to what degree.
As my hero Richard Feynman said:

“Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, “Is it reasonable?””
 

mmascari

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On the day that the bill was brought to the floor, the Legislature intended to debate it first. Make no mistake. It still would have passed. But the Congressional District vote was first (2C). Democrats decided to exercise a protest on the House floor as the House was voting on the Congressional District bill. After that vote, the Special District bill was next (4C). The Speaker tried to get everyone into debate posture but the Democrats were still protesting the Congressional District Bill. He warned that a motion would be made on no debate on the special district bill and a vote would immediately occur if the House didn't resume decorum. It didn't happen. The no debate motion passed by voice vote and the Legislature immediately went to vote on the special district bill.
Thanks. That explains how it went from "just a thought" to "it's passed" so fast. A serious of unfortunate steps.

I was thinking more of after it was passed and sent to the Governor to sign. Based on reading here, it didn't sound like it was immediately signed but took some time. I also don't remember it being part of a big media event when signed, just kind of done.

If actually passing it was a big deal and desired political outcome, I would have expected a full blown media circus to sign it as fast as possible. You know, the type of event where every letter in the signature is with a different pen and they're handed out.

It sounded like it was more of a delay, and then quietly signed and the news reported on it after the fact. Like someone catching the tiger by the tail and then going "whoops, guess I need to hold on now". The delay and lack of spectacle could have been second thoughts. Doubled down and went with it then anyway, but may have blinked for just a second there.
 

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