GimpYancIent
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More BOB thinking. Monetize this situation charge to come on / traverse Disney property i.e. roadways in addition to charging to enter the parks. Bob would like it.
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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peter11435
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I think the point was that Disney/RCID’s network of roads currently benefits more than just Disney guests.
This. I assume, and what I was driving at with the other question, that RCID actually owns the land for lots of the roads, not Disney. Following that route I laid out, most of the trip should be on RCID owned roads and not on private Disney owned roads.
That makes that infrastructure RCID infrastructure not Disney infrastructure. RCID could use bonds to fund building roads they own. Disney would not be able to use bonds to fund the private road parts. The difference matters.
Reporting, and how we think of it, like to confuse and combine all the Disney and RCID owned stuff into one big thing we call WDW. But that's not really true. It's not really 45 square miles completely owned by Disney where you're on private property as soon as you cross the outer boarder.
Sure. With the ticket booths on the I-4 off ramps instead of only at the park entrances, they would be able to eliminate any traffic just passing through. Benefit Disney, less traffic in general. Probably speed up the bus transit times.
Having the first backup of people a I-4 would meter the traffic into Disney and reduce the lines that form at the park entrance booths. Alternatively, reduce the staff and keep the same size lines. Benefit Disney, less staff.
The huge line of cars that backs up onto I-4, that's a county or state problem now.
Limiting access to Disney Springs would probably be bad for Disney Springs, maybe put that booth on the west side of Buena Vista drive instead of the east side.
This would clearly be ridiculous and points out why RCID is responsible for lots of stuff that isn't private Disney infrastructure. Even when Disney owns the majority of the places that infrastructure goes.
GoofGoof
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That’s a nice benefit for TWDC for sure, but how does that hurt taxpayers in FL or anyone else for that matter? Disney gets a nice benefit, the people buying the bonds know exactly what they are getting and up until now we’re very happy with the returns and it has no impact on taxes anywhere else. I don’t see a major harm to anyone from that aspect.
It’s a benefit Disney enjoys but in return they invested billions in the state and created tens of thousands of direct jobs and who knows how many indirect jobs including 2,000 new ones that were supposed to be moving from CA but may be in jeopardy now. Those jobs were reported to have an average salary around 120,000 so a 10 year boost to the local economy of $2.4B from salaries alone and that doesn’t include the ancillary benefits to local businesses and home values by adding these people to the local economy. Assuming many of these people have families you are talking about 5 or 6 thousand extra people eating local pizza and getting their hair cut and buying cars etc, etc. Up until now politicians have bent over backward to bring in big companies and with them more jobs for the sake of the economy. It’s foolish to assume the economy is too big to fail and the state doesn’t need those jobs. It’s also foolish to throw away 50+ years of a lucrative partnership for both sides over a petty political disagreement.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Or turned the lights on in your hotel room or flushed a toilet or drove on a road there.
chrisvee
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The 5 Whys was invented in anticipation of this type of thread
flynnibus
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You can also look at a poster's sequence of posts and not just one line in isolation... keeps things from spinning in place or people talking past each other.
GimpYancIent
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All the general services from Police / Fire / EMS to the availability of electricity / water / sewage will continue. The visitors / guests / travelers and other passers through will not notice nor care. There are a lot of factors that the tourists will be concerned with but whether there is an RCID or not is not one of them.
Isn’t that why the Crossroads shopping center was demolished off the Lake Buena Vista exit , hundreds of jobs eliminated would make way for a direct I-4 access straight to WDW?
mikejs78
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They will when the roads fall into disrepair. Or it takes longer for emergency responders to arrive. Or when there is a power outage.
peter11435
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Yes services will continue. The speed and quality of those services will likely be negatively impacted and Disney will now share the fiscal burden of that service with the people of orange and Osceola counties.
You've yet to answer the questions that were asked earlier.
One unpleasant smell and memory for guests is if there is a massive sewage backup in the resorts or parks and the new contractor cannot handle in time.
chrisvee
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so if we ask ourselves why we get answers like worst case punitive action against Disney for suspending political contributions and best case the state trying to force Disney to the negotiating table for…reasons
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GoofGoof
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That depends on the level of service. Take the new overpass by MK as an example. Would Orange County have agreed to pay for part or all of that project if RCID wasn’t around? Probably not. Would Disney have agreed to pay for it with corporate cash instead of financing it through the municipal debt of RCID (paid for over time with tax payments)? Maybe not. So maybe it just doesn’t get done. Tourists would be impacted even if they don’t know the details of RCID. Same for parking garages at DS, etc, etc. For first responders I would assume the workers are all professionals so would provide a high level of service either way. Only negative would be if the county was to reduce the amount of workers it could take longer to get services which would be a very big negative for a very small number of guests.
lazyboy97o
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Why is whether or not tourists notice the big test? Why are residents excluded from this equation?
One thing that will definitely change is EMS. RCID people would treat and if needed, transport you to a hospital free of charge. If the county is in charge, you'll get charged hundreds or more for the same free service. Guess you better hope you don't need to use it while you are there.
I'm not familiar with where that was and google isn't helping me.
GimpYancIent
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Easy there! The residents / landowners, business owners and workers / employees are absolutely concerned, hence, the difference from the passers through who don't. Apples vs Oranges.
lazyboy97o
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So why do you keep going on about how it’s no big deal if the District goes away because tourists won’t notice?