It fundamentally misstates the argument. They’re claiming that Disney was offered something that isn’t offered to other companies. That’s patently false, as the over 1800 special districts prove. So the entire point falls apart.
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lazyboy97o
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It depends on the particular issue.
Literally hundreds of similar districts have been created since. Go buy 1,000 acres and you could get your own community development district. Apply for planned development zoning and you can largely build it out exactly as you desire. You can even set up your own fire department to handle fire sprinkler permits and inspections.
Quinnmac000
Well-Known Member
You mean you don't know about The Villages...which is the senior citizen version of RCID
I’m not sure upon what legal standard you’re basing the courts ignoring incriminating statements made directly by the parties involved. It’s not hearsay, and the statements were knowingly and deliberately given. So why would the court ignore them or give them less weight?I suspect the court won't look at that sans context, if at all. However, the court will look at this.
Memo: Amending the call for a Special Session
www.flgov.com
What he says to reporters doesn't carry nearly as much weight as people appear to be assigning it in this situation. If politicians were held to such a standard, we'd see a lot more successful lawsuits.
We have been over that about 10-20 pages ago. It is different by a pretty good margin. It is not the same. Let's not even compare as The Villages origins are not one to glamour over, particularly with its history against the Seminole Natives.
Again, that is different unless you can find things like this through applying to live at the Villages.
"As the law, in part, declares that the District is exempt from all state land use regulation laws "now or hereafter enacted," the Attorney General of Florida has issued an opinion stating that this includes state requirements for developments of regional impact."
Chip Chipperson
Well-Known Member
How much is paid in taxes is public record, whether it's paid to RCID or the counties. Again, any inderwriter for the bonds has seen it. Any investor or their advisor has seen it. The FL Auditor General has seen it.
With a 2021 millage rate of 11.1429 for RCID and an assessed value of $11,419,701,000, Disney paid RCID approximately $127.25 million in property taxes.
Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board::EMMA
emma.msrb.org
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Projects in the District have to get South Florida Water Management District approval which shows the6 are not just completely exempt.
The Villages are zoned as a Planned Development, meaning they largely develop the land as they desire. They also have their own fire department.
Specifically The Villages is a CCD as an umbrella term of development. Some similarities to what Disney did sure, but any gated community or celebration type project can claim some similarities. Again, it would be like comparing RCID to Universal City California. Similar dreams but not the same exemptions. But we can go through and discuss how they are not completely the same if you would like the research done for you. Or you can go back through and read right here. You asked what special treatment from everyone else, and it has been presented. Do with it what you will.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
It's double edged, though.
If the RCID isn't "special" and confers no "benefits", then how is removal of it punitive?
This compounds when you realize the two page legislation doesn't target RCID, but rather a class of IDs, and that there is a remedy included. My guess is RCID will be re-established with the appropriate language included next June 1 (or earlier).
Setting aside my bantering about their strategy for fun, my real take?
I think this has a lot more to do with the administration wanting to clean up a few things before the state argues their appeal at the 11th Circuit hearing starting next week regarding the social media statute. The court already called out the exemptions the legislature likes to make for theme parks and entertainment.
Explains the urgency, explains the special session.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Who doesn't want to bowl at the Alamo?
(If that's still a thing? Also, I liked it better when it was Orange Blossom Gardens)
Again, stay on topic. Reedy Creek. Not what led up to this, and not how it will have an impact on elections, etc. Just how will it impact WDW, The Disney corporation, the adjacent counties, the state and it's residents, the guests, and the Disney employees.
And please treat other posters with courtesy- even if you think they don't deserve it!
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I don't know what the bowling alley is like now. Orange Blossom Gardens did not sell too hot. Marketing took off with Villages in the late 80s.
For topics sake.
Do people think things will really change that much if it does dissolve?
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I may or may not have spent many a summer there in a triple wide manufactured home, spending my days driving a golf cart around far faster than I should have.
Though, I recall the Villages really taking off a bit later...early to mid 90s. It was firmly OBG in 89/90/91 when I was there. The Villages where the "new part they were building", where they'd build you a "real" home instead of wood paneled interior, aluminum rectangles.
Though, foggy memory could be foggy, I admit.
I didn’t say it conferred no benefits. I said that it’s not something only offered to Disney. It doesn’t have to be special or exclusive to Disney to be beneficial. They’re not mutually exclusive.
87 I think is when marketing was deemed a success to go into rapid build mode of that "new part." This was after marketing to northerners wanting to have that Florida promise. So that 90 explosion makes sense. A lot of themed entertainment-based designers worked on that square common area. That makes sense with the triple wide manufactured home. Those things were pretty nice and you were with only 399 others or so as they never sold over 400 in the original plot and form. I am jealous that you got to experience that.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Sure, they’re not completely the same but there are a lot of similarities and other mechanisms fill a number of the gaps.
You said there are requirements Disney avoids that the other parks must follow. What are these requirements?
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I did enjoy it. The golf cart “roads” were cool. But, then the family moved to Harbor Hills. And woo boy, that’s a whole different story. Especially if you know the drama surrounding that development.
Wish they’d just stayed at OBG or moved to the Villages if they wanted that “concrete brick with stucco and tile floor” experience.
There’s 1,844 special districts like this in Florida
Tom P.
Well-Known Member
How do you maintain your sanity?Again, stay on topic. Reedy Creek. Not what led up to this, and not how it will have an impact on elections, etc. Just how will it impact WDW, The Disney corporation, the adjacent counties, the state and it's residents, the guests, and the Disney employees.
And please treat other posters with courtesy- even if you think they don't deserve it!
I'm reposting this for posters who have arrived "late to the party."
Again reposting this for those who like to drop in while I'm sleeping.
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
She has it on timed postings.......How do you maintain your sanity?