Married5Times
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you're talking about $100 billion + move to do a watered-down version of the existing WDW
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you're talking about $100 billion + move to do a watered-down version of the existing WDW
flynnibus
Premium Member
‘Retaliation’ dude. The 1A is not just about PREVENTING speech.
DisneyDebRob
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I thought everyone would know thst was a joke. Sorry.
flynnibus
Premium Member
This very scenario was brought up before… lookup when guliani tried to defund the art museum over it’s content. Spoiler - he lost
Married5Times
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true, true
but some around here can't appreciate the difference of $million vs $billion and think Disney has unlimited money.
lazyboy97o
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Which is exactly why Disney’s benefits have to be so completely misrepresented. A lot of people are not going to be angry over the idea that Disney pays their taxes and pays extra to cover the costs of the infrastructure the county would otherwise have to cover.
AEfx
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That's what some have been trying (very hard) to convince us of for a 100 pages or so now.
This thread is so full of misinformation and people with clear agendas it's mind boggling and pretty useless from an informational standpoint.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I will introduce you to the word ‘injunction’
They would ask the court to stay any action until it’s challenges are settled by the court. And they’d get it.
lazyboy97o
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Because they’re completely separate taxes levied by a different body. Money isn’t diverted from Orange County to the District.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Then give specifics. Show us examples of misinformation. Show how people previously opposed the District now support it.
Epcot-Rules
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Disney will loose in court on this one because the Reedy Creek Act was granted before the state constitution was established. As a Disney shareholder I am furious that they waded into this whole mess.
If I was to make this drive: https://goo.gl/maps/yaD8vPCYPghS8Wqz7
From: Walmart Supercenter 2855 N Old Lake Wilson Rd, Kissimmee, FL 34747
To: Taco Bell 7970 Winter Garden Vineland Rd, Windermere, FL 34786
Driving up World Drive and Floridian Way to Reams Road. Including driving through the recently updated fly over on World Drive.
Are those public roads maintained by RCID?
Are those private roads maintained by Disney?
Is it both?
If it's both, when does the switching happen?
For the recently updated fly over specifically, is that an RCID road or a Disney road?
That last one is a super important distinction here. If it's an RCID road, then municipal tax favored bonds could be used to borrow money to pay for it. The scheduling of the work was competing with other RCID work and RCID budgets. The exact plan and desire to change the flyover was at the RCID discretion.
That the current RCID leadership and funding is closely aligned with Disney means all those things have a huge influence from Disney in how they're determined. That's a huge benefit to Disney. If prior to the fly over, toll plaza operations were a problem, and adding the fly over created a benefit to those operations, it's clear to see why Disney would want that work prioritized. Transferring all of that control to a new group that's not as aligned and has other competing priorities would impact how and when that type of work would happen.
If that's not an RCID road, but a private Disney road, then where along that route does World Drive change from a public RCID road into a private Disney road? Is it right at the 192 exit ramp? Somewhere after Osceola Parkway or Epcot Center Drive? Could Disney move the toll plaza and prevent making this trip without a park ticket?
When we compare this to the other area theme parks, do those parks have large public road systems instead of just private roads?
From: Walmart Supercenter 2855 N Old Lake Wilson Rd, Kissimmee, FL 34747
To: Taco Bell 7970 Winter Garden Vineland Rd, Windermere, FL 34786
Driving up World Drive and Floridian Way to Reams Road. Including driving through the recently updated fly over on World Drive.
Are those public roads maintained by RCID?
Are those private roads maintained by Disney?
Is it both?
If it's both, when does the switching happen?
For the recently updated fly over specifically, is that an RCID road or a Disney road?
That last one is a super important distinction here. If it's an RCID road, then municipal tax favored bonds could be used to borrow money to pay for it. The scheduling of the work was competing with other RCID work and RCID budgets. The exact plan and desire to change the flyover was at the RCID discretion.
That the current RCID leadership and funding is closely aligned with Disney means all those things have a huge influence from Disney in how they're determined. That's a huge benefit to Disney. If prior to the fly over, toll plaza operations were a problem, and adding the fly over created a benefit to those operations, it's clear to see why Disney would want that work prioritized. Transferring all of that control to a new group that's not as aligned and has other competing priorities would impact how and when that type of work would happen.
If that's not an RCID road, but a private Disney road, then where along that route does World Drive change from a public RCID road into a private Disney road? Is it right at the 192 exit ramp? Somewhere after Osceola Parkway or Epcot Center Drive? Could Disney move the toll plaza and prevent making this trip without a park ticket?
When we compare this to the other area theme parks, do those parks have large public road systems instead of just private roads?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Because they were not orange county taxes. They don’t just roll over because the very definition of them goes away
Brian
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He certainly has the background and position to put out correct information on the topic, but it also wouldn't be out of the question to lie about it considering he is an elected Democrat, and it would stand to reason that he has an interest in taking DeSantis and the GOP-majority in the legislature down.
To be clear, I'm not saying that's definitely what's happening, however, he is a politician, and politicians of all persuasions have been caught lying ever since the founding of our republic, and then some.
Edit: Also, anyone who thinks that the tax collector is also responsible for creating the taxes they collect shouldn't be voting.
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Chip Chipperson
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Yeah, it pretty much says that the government is punishing Disney for not bribing them anymore.
lazyboy97o
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Then why didn’t the state just sue the District to have it declared unconstitutional?
AdventureHasAName
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So then your point that RCID is not a tax break is irrelevant. Either it is a benefit or it is not. If it is not a benefit, then it's not "punishment" to take it away (and therefore not possibly a violation of free speech). If it is a benefit, then the question is whether or not the state's action is an infringement on the 1st Amendment.
AdventureHasAName
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Dranth
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Of course it is a benefit. It just isn't the kind that many people are trying to make it out to be. Bottom line, it HAD to be put into place because the State of Florida did not have the resources to build out the needed infrastructure to support the project. It is also beneficial to both Disney and the counties. They don't have to spend time and money working on Disney property and Disney gets self control over how quickly and in what way those projects take place.
Should it be in place now? Maybe, maybe not. Doesn’t matter to me. What matters is the Government doing something out of spite. They could have removed this any time they wanted for plenty of reasons people would agree with. Doing it because Disney hurt their feelings isn't one of those.