News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mikejs78]

For instance, the appeals court could determine that Disney was targeted and the other districts were caught as collateral damage instead of the current court determination that Disney was not targeted because other districts were also impacted.

Not to mention the fact that the monorail legislation and the developer agreement nullification legislation were written so that Disney was the only one affected. Not sure how the judge ignored that fact.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

Name one procedural violation.



They get the same thing as any other local government that enters into a development agreement. Should all such agreements in FL be thrown out?



Name one example of that actually happening .

You can refer to the Audit which seemed comprehensive. I was inclined to think Disney was going to win that case. But the audit definitely changed my mind. I know you're no fan of it. We'll have to see.

And they express that fact often.

Which we agree is not nationalization.

 

[Brian]

Not to mention the fact that the monorail legislation and the developer agreement nullification legislation were written so that Disney was the only one affected. Not sure how the judge ignored that fact.

I suppose because it didn't explicitly mention Disney by name (not that they legally could).

Technically both laws could eventually affect another business, though it's highly unlikely.

It's worth noting that, though the original legislation was written expressly to dissolve RCID, it also affected other special districts.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You brought up the contract that RCID and Walt Disney signed. Or were you talking about separate agreement? Not trying to be facetious. Reading through the audit, the case seems pretty strong.

I said what I was talking about, the comprehensive plans.

 

[peter11435]

You brought up the contract that RCID and Walt Disney signed. Or were you talking about separate agreement? Not trying to be facetious. Reading through the audit, the case seems pretty strong.

No, he’s referring to the comprehensive plan developed by the district and approved by the state of Florida.

 

[Stripes]

Moreover, their argument that the contract cannot stand because the CTFOD did not gain anything with this contract also are pretty clear.

The contract had consideration. For one, Disney waived their right to sue if the district invoked eminent domain and to not demand more than fair market value for the land (Disney waived their right to sue for business damages caused by relocating).

CFTOD gained something, no matter how small. That’s valid consideration.

 

[mmascari]

He dismissed that on similar grounds (lack of standing). That decision was reversed on appeal.

Wait, am I not supposed to believe all the posts that said since this was dismissed outright it's a done thing and impossible to overcome?

How is it that there can be an example showing the exact opposite.

Has the internet lied to me?

Next you'll tell me Peter Pan cannot really fly.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

I said what I was talking about, the comprehensive plans.

Oh, so it was you who changed the subject. I was talking about the deal Disney jammed through right before the CTFOD came to power. Fair enough on that point though.

 

[JoeCamel]

Wait, am I not supposed to believe all the posts that said since this was dismissed outright it's a done thing and impossible to overcome?

How is it that there can be an example showing the exact opposite.

Has the internet lied to me?

Next you'll tell me Peter Pan cannot really fly.

I have some bad news for you - can't fly and not even a real thing.......

 

[Figgy1]

I have some bad news for you - can't fly and not even a real thing.......

The next thing is somebody will tell me Tinkerbelle uses a zipline

 

[JoeCamel]

The next thing is somebody will tell me Tinkerbelle uses a zipline

And its a guy.......

 

[peter11435]

Oh, so it was you who changed the subject. I was talking about the deal Disney jammed through right before the CTFOD came to power. Fair enough on that point though.

That wasn’t changing the subject. The comprehensive plan is very reverent to the development agreement.

 

[mmascari]

Then they could collaborate on a longterm development plan for Walt Disney World.

The state already reviewed and approved the comprehensive plans… that’s something the state is actively trying to not discuss.

Oh, so it was you who changed the subject.

You suggested a course of action (work with state), an answer was given (already worked with state to approve plan).

The contract in dispute is after that. It has no impact that they already collaborated. CFTOD would like you to forget that happened first and that they have proposed no changes to the plan.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

You suggested a course of action (work with state), an answer was given (already worked with state to approve plan).

The contract in dispute is after that. It has no impact that they already collaborated. CFTOD would like you to forget that happened first and that they have proposed no changes to the plan.

The CTFOD seems like it's going to get the contract thrown out. Once that's completed, Disney will be forced to the bargaining table. This will probably not result in outcomes that Disney would like. By drawing up a new contract they have hope of finding a new path with CTFOD that will emerge out of a non hostile process. Either way this agreement is toast. Might as well conduct a tactical retreat rather than a hasty withdrawal.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

I would prefer if Disney stopped losing lawsuits and beating dead horses. They need to accept the facts. As terrible or uncomfortable as they might be. They need to create new deals that will protect their assets. And then they need to never mention this whole debacle ever again.

TDO also needs to conduct an internal investigation into how they could have ever been so incompetent with their relationship with RCID. The entanglement stuff was just so grossly stupid I couldn't believe it. They need to get legal council that will protect them from these types of occurrences happening in the future. Certain key figures within the Walt Disney World organization should be fired for gross incompetence. And finally they should hire government affairs people who can build good relationships with local and state government.

There's been very little soul searching on the part of Disney.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh, so it was you who changed the subject. I was talking about the deal Disney jammed through right before the CTFOD came to power. Fair enough on that point though.

Months is hardly “right before” when nothing had been announced but you haven’t exactly been a stickler for details.

 

[Disstevefan1]

TDO also needs to conduct an internal investigation into how they could have ever been so incompetent with their relationship with RCID. The entanglement stuff was just so grossly stupid I couldn't believe it. They need to get legal council that will protect them from these types of occurrences happening in the future. Certain key figures within the Walt Disney World organization should be fired for gross incompetence.

Just my opinion, but I think TWDC and the state knew full well the relationship between TWDC and RCID. The state just let it be because WDW brought so much good to central Florida and the state. It was just good business.

TWDC knew they were in the wrong, they just figured the state was going to let it be forever.

 

[Touchdown]

As I read the replies lately, I can’t help but think of this…

 

[Dranth]

Well, either way I would prefer if Disney stopped losing lawsuits and beating dead horses. They need to accept the facts. As terrible or uncomfortable as they might be. They need to create new deals that will protect their assets. And then they need to never mention this whole debacle ever again.

TDO also needs to conduct an internal investigation into how they could have ever been so incompetent with their relationship with RCID. The entanglement stuff was just so grossly stupid I couldn't believe it. They need to get legal council that will protect them from these types of occurrences happening in the future. Certain key figures within the Walt Disney World organization should be fired for gross incompetence. And finally they should hire government affairs people who can build good relationships with local and state government.

There's been very little soul searching on the part of Disney. Only cries of free-speech suppression. That needs to change ASAP.

Disney needs to do some soul searching, just not about this. An appeal is the correct route as we have seen this judge and DeSantis be overturned/lose at the appellate level a good bit of late on some pretty similar issues.

Now, Disney may still lose in the long run but it is obvious that DeSantis has no intention of ever working with Disney as they already:

• Fired the guy who started all this.
• The replacement came in and said they needed to step back from the overt politics and last I checked has kept that promise.
• Offered to meet with DeSantis and work with him to find a solution but were rejected.
• Restructured their studios and announced they were going to focus on entertainment first.

So, why bother trying to appease someone who isn't interested and is on a timer? Play the long game and outlast him. Either you get a win in court or deal with the next guy and drop the court battle then.

 

[WoundedDreamer]

Months is hardly “right before” when nothing had been announced but you haven’t exactly been a stickler for details.

It was specifically done on accelerated timescale in order to preempt the state. Part of the reason that in their haste they accidentally had procedural issues and included illegal components in the contract. Whoops.