jedijake45
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I Think Epcot has improved for the better, I guess Im all alone wiht that
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EPCOT.nut
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No, I don't think you are all alone with that thought. At least not entirely. It depends on how long you have been going to EPCOT and what attractions you had the priviledge to experience. If you went for the first time in 1999 and then in 2007 I'd say you did not have enough history to make that determination! But if you went prior to 1985, again in 1990, again in 1997, and then in 2007, you could relfect back and say yes or no.
EPCOT.nut-Yes,how'd you know LOL.
And yes,I would love to bring back some of the futuristic wonder back to Epcot 'ala-"The Prologe and the Promise" from Horizons.Not that kiddiefied Tommorowland future with moving kinetics and purple tarps but the sleek,silver,spartan look of Commumicore right before we lost capitilization.
Enderikari,I might not need it blatenly displayed before me but others might.I could just see in a few months after the reopening of SSE some average/accepting Disney/Epcot fan will get off of SSE and wonder what he just saw."Was it communication or human history?"As for Project Tommorow,I wasn't including that.Project Tommorow is great,but have you seen the new SSE Entrance signs that Merf posted a few days ago?No communication-anywhere.I certanly seems Communication has beem traded for innovation,blatently or subbtlely.
Also,when did Walt ever bore his audiences?I know some of his shows eventually went off the air,most likely because they got dated,not boring.
This is a great conversation were having,let's keep it going!
And yes,I would love to bring back some of the futuristic wonder back to Epcot 'ala-"The Prologe and the Promise" from Horizons.Not that kiddiefied Tommorowland future with moving kinetics and purple tarps but the sleek,silver,spartan look of Commumicore right before we lost capitilization.
Enderikari,I might not need it blatenly displayed before me but others might.I could just see in a few months after the reopening of SSE some average/accepting Disney/Epcot fan will get off of SSE and wonder what he just saw."Was it communication or human history?"As for Project Tommorow,I wasn't including that.Project Tommorow is great,but have you seen the new SSE Entrance signs that Merf posted a few days ago?No communication-anywhere.I certanly seems Communication has beem traded for innovation,blatently or subbtlely.
Also,when did Walt ever bore his audiences?I know some of his shows eventually went off the air,most likely because they got dated,not boring.
This is a great conversation were having,let's keep it going!
EPCOT.nut
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Hehehe...good one.
Let's hope.
Expo_Seeker40
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and as for the whole EPCOT Center standing for something
err yes it did
Sure EPCOT was Thee....Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow as invisioned by Walt Disney that never came true entirely blah blah blah, HOWEVER various people at Disney,including Imagineers were seeing how they could apply various aspects of the EPCOT idea into a functional theme park.
One idea called for a technology showcase....the other called for a world showcase....then both came together *Literally*. The concept for what was then called "The EPCOT Theme Center" was revised again and again.
EPCOT center is not Thee experimental prototype community....it is A Experimental Prototype Community....
It was a true experiment in how to create the first permanent world's fair....the only thing close was a world showcase type exhibit left over from the 1967 montreal world's fair that lasted into the mid 80s.
It was a prototype using inspiration i.e. the park's layout from the 1939, 1964, and 1967 world's fairs.
It is a community of working people, visiting guests, technology, and culture with an emphasis on making tomorrow's world a better place to live in.
It stands as a center for technological and culutural showcase, while celebrating the achievements of what has brought us here today, and where may go tomorrow.
Epcot? word with no definition because it's not a real world.
And if bland and boring was EPCOT Center....than the bold century gothic Epcot font...stale parking ticket entrance....brown and stale leave a legacy monuments and lack of plants make Epcot a far cry from the cooler colors, exotic plants, and fountains of EPCOT Center.
err yes it did
Sure EPCOT was Thee....Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow as invisioned by Walt Disney that never came true entirely blah blah blah, HOWEVER various people at Disney,including Imagineers were seeing how they could apply various aspects of the EPCOT idea into a functional theme park.
One idea called for a technology showcase....the other called for a world showcase....then both came together *Literally*. The concept for what was then called "The EPCOT Theme Center" was revised again and again.
EPCOT center is not Thee experimental prototype community....it is A Experimental Prototype Community....
It was a true experiment in how to create the first permanent world's fair....the only thing close was a world showcase type exhibit left over from the 1967 montreal world's fair that lasted into the mid 80s.
It was a prototype using inspiration i.e. the park's layout from the 1939, 1964, and 1967 world's fairs.
It is a community of working people, visiting guests, technology, and culture with an emphasis on making tomorrow's world a better place to live in.
It stands as a center for technological and culutural showcase, while celebrating the achievements of what has brought us here today, and where may go tomorrow.
Epcot? word with no definition because it's not a real world.
And if bland and boring was EPCOT Center....than the bold century gothic Epcot font...stale parking ticket entrance....brown and stale leave a legacy monuments and lack of plants make Epcot a far cry from the cooler colors, exotic plants, and fountains of EPCOT Center.
Expo_Seeker40
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It's also not hard to go through numerous photographs from the 80s and early 90s to see that EPCOT Center always had large crowds.
I for visiting EPCOT Center even in mid December once before the huge christmas crowds came can attest to that.
The park has always had higher attendance in its EPCOT Center days and continued and still does even after MGM and Animal Kingdom were built. It still managed to even go past Islands of Adventure when EPCOT Center..er I mean Epcot was still wandless, leave a legacyless, living seaish, pre soarinish, original imagintionish, wonders of lifeish, horizonish, and the newly opened test trask....ish. :ROFLOL:
EPCOT Center never could and never will allow ALL people to enjoy it, however enough people over the years have enjoyed it. New shows, and events make people, especially locals come and visit the park. Various events and celebrations as well entice visitors.
Had EPCOT Center opened in the 60s and 70s, I bet it would have been more well recieved, as by the 80s, generation X children had less ambition to learn and have fun and inspire than their baby boomer parents did at Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom.
EPCOT Center had to change. No doubt it did.
But the idea of a child able to have a phone conversation with a robot i.e. SMRT-1 and not have that anymore....i.e. child makes a plastic robot....is somehow less than what was offered at EPCOT Center.
Children, especially young ones still can find robotic technology cool and fun...yes today's teenagers can say "been there, done that".
Not all change is bad, it's just a matter for me what has changed and how necessary was it.
I don't mind one bit having Test Track over WoM...however while I like the current UoE, it lacks the various nifty show effects the original one had.
I for visiting EPCOT Center even in mid December once before the huge christmas crowds came can attest to that.
The park has always had higher attendance in its EPCOT Center days and continued and still does even after MGM and Animal Kingdom were built. It still managed to even go past Islands of Adventure when EPCOT Center..er I mean Epcot was still wandless, leave a legacyless, living seaish, pre soarinish, original imagintionish, wonders of lifeish, horizonish, and the newly opened test trask....ish. :ROFLOL:
EPCOT Center never could and never will allow ALL people to enjoy it, however enough people over the years have enjoyed it. New shows, and events make people, especially locals come and visit the park. Various events and celebrations as well entice visitors.
Had EPCOT Center opened in the 60s and 70s, I bet it would have been more well recieved, as by the 80s, generation X children had less ambition to learn and have fun and inspire than their baby boomer parents did at Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom.
EPCOT Center had to change. No doubt it did.
But the idea of a child able to have a phone conversation with a robot i.e. SMRT-1 and not have that anymore....i.e. child makes a plastic robot....is somehow less than what was offered at EPCOT Center.
Children, especially young ones still can find robotic technology cool and fun...yes today's teenagers can say "been there, done that".
Not all change is bad, it's just a matter for me what has changed and how necessary was it.
I don't mind one bit having Test Track over WoM...however while I like the current UoE, it lacks the various nifty show effects the original one had.
Enderikari
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No, as a matter of fact, you are in the vast majority. Pay no attention to the constant negativity of the folks here. Epcot is much better, people just like to complain about things
darthjohnny
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True,but where is that?M:s makes no mention of it and neither do any other pavillion for that matter...It used to be in Horizons,but that's gone.
Mission: Space not only promotes the future of exploration, the story is set in sometime around 2030 or so.
So yes, it does have the futuristic aspects of Epcot's Future World.
But why does everyone when talking about Epcot use Horizons to compare things to the old days? Epcot is/was much more than this one attraction.
Enderikari
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As opposed to actually going through the attendance numbers to gain real information, which is much more reasonable, and provides a much better vantage point, and, what's the word for it, oh yeah, the truth.
Congratulations, once again, personal feelings and faulty memories from 20 years ago are not fact, no matter how much the golden nostalgia within you wants it to be.
Yeah, sure, it had huge crowds, the first year it opened, and the year after that. But, then it became the "other" park to the Magic Kingdom. Movies do best on their opening weekends too. And people just stopped going en masse. The largest parking lot in Disney became an overflow parking lot for the MK, with Monorail access to match. MGM Studios did consistently beat out Epcot's park total daily, and Animal Kingdom is coming into its own now (not bad for a park with no nighttime entertainment). The wand encouraged attendance, no matter how much YOU didn't like it. Leave a Legacy sold memories to thousands of people, no matter how much YOU didn't like it. Quite often in Epcot's past, I really would bring a blanket and book into the main showroom of Seabase Alpha to read, because I thought it was so relaxing; why was it so relaxing? BECAUSE NO ONE WAS THERE!
Right, thank you for proving my point, argument done.Glad you agree with me
The problem is that Epcot is now appealing to a wide range of people, instead of just crazy folks who don't want to see their museum toyed with. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the Expo_Seeker, as it were. Now Epcot is appealing to a crowd, and the crowds are coming and having a great time. Combined with all the special events (Food and Wine, Flower and Garden), Epcot (Big E, little p-coat) is rocking.
And had Walt been born in this day and age, he would have become a New York lawyer, famed for getting serial killers off their charges. How do I know that? Using the same information you pulled out of where-ever you pull your hypothetical situations from
Yes, it did, and the change happened. Hoo-ray that I never have to see World of Motion or Horizons again (or Universe of Energy, but that's more of a personal choice, that ride is too darn long)
Or, for a full year they could have watched a REAL ROBOT (ASIMO) perform its act. Or see a robotic orchestra, with a chance to control it. Instead of canned speech like the old Soundblaster's Dr. Sbaitso (Did I just date myself?)
Am I done? I suppose, for now. Suffice it to say, gripe all you want, you must understand that I am right. Epcot is moving forward, but instead of the pretend future that was presented to you in the 80's (with all the 80's style corporate tie-ins and all) its now a future based on the real world, and the fascination that exists there-in
Enderikari
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I want you to go back and read what you wrote.
In the parts where you are not reaching as far out as your little hands will go, you are actually proving me right.
The World's Fair's were not communities, or cities (as Walt quite often called his dream of EPCOT). They were not a place where people would live in homes showcasing the technology that would be conquering the globe soon. Its not a place where the only transportation is via monorail or Peoplemovers.
Epcot is a word that is defined BY its history. The association is there, but the park has moved on because it never was the community in the first place. But, the spirit of the park, its innovation, its thrust of theme, continues on, therefore Epcot does have a meaning.
"A Community of Working People and Visiting Guests?" So, by your definition a MALL is a community? A City?
Also, I want you to go back and read what you wrote because I have issues with the spelling
:animwink:
Thank you.a PERFECT explanation of what I was trying to say.
We are not complaining,and there's no need to be rude.we are just remiicing about the good old days of EPCOT and wish we would see them again soon in the future.
Because horizons was the bomb!!!No-it really deffined EPCOT Center and it's concepts and now it's legacy.
Fine-M:S does show exploration but does not activlly tell us this is the future and how it's improoving our lives.(Once again blatent-but some guests need that.)
Doing this from a friend's smart phone so there might be some errors.=(
Enderikari
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We are not complaining,and there's no need to be rude.we are just remiicing about the good old days of EPCOT and wish we would see them again soon in the future.
See, you don't get it. Not everyone considers them the "good old days." Most people don't want to see a return to those days, because they were BORING. I certainly don't want to see them again, unless I need to catch up on my reading in a near deserted park.
Uh huh. One day, remind me and I will explain the difference between fact and opinion.
Really? Because most people I know don't want to be beaten over the head with
education(morals, metaphors). They come to WDW on a vacation to have a good time and be entertained, to feel as if they are getting their money's worth.
jedimaster1227
Active Member
I completely agree! After working with Jim myself, I got a small glimpse at the kind of man he really is, and where he comes from when he is doing his job. You can ask any of us that met him the weekend of Epcot's 25th, and we will all be able to vouch for the fact that his passion for the park radiates from his speeches and actions, with every move. I have a large amount of faith in the prospect of the growth of Epcot under his leadership...
Plus, (when my dream comes true) when I am Epcot's VP, I wouldn't dream of having anyone else be the President of Walt Disney World, as my superior! Considering that the man is an original WDW employee, opening the EPCOT Center Preview Center, EPCOT Center (the park) and Animal Kingdom (he may have even worked on the other aspects of WDW as well, but for sure, these he has under his belt), I couldn't think of someone to better manage the World in its entirety. :animwink:
Little Green Men
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Epcot is deffinitly just as fun AND educational, but certain refurbs were greatly need! Now I don't remember going on half of the old attractions, but have watch full ride throughs (until I was too bored to continue) Let's compare past and current rides:
Spaceship Earth- now that has been basically untouched until now, and honestly, I loved the first time I went on it, then the 50th time I knew it needed to change. I can't wait to see the new one!
Communicore vs. Innoventions- honestly, I have never seen Communicore videos that would inform me how it was like, but I've read up on all the attractions. I think Innoventions is just as fun, educational, and probably more kid- friendly!
UOE vs. Ellen's Energy Adventure- OK, I saw the first five minutes of the UOE video, and was bored to DEATH! EEA is great! I laugh a lot on it, and deffinitly learn about energy too!
WOL- I saw videos, it looked fun, let's hope we'll get a great replacement soon!
Horizons vs. Mission: SPACE- I saw the video of Horizons and enjoyed it! My last trip I did M:S and it was great! I did green version, and can't even think what orange would be like! (shivvers) I found it educational, and thought it was so cool to experience how astronauts train!
WOM vs. Test Track- I've seen WOM videos and thought it was very cute! Now TT is my favorite ride in the world, so I deffinitly like it better, and it deffinitly teaches you how cars are tsted and even built in a very awesome way!
Journey into Imagination- I saw the video and admit Disney made a HUGE mistake! The original was great, and I still enjoy the current one, but it was deffinitly no comparison! I find if you don't think about the old ride, the current one is a very nice ride.
The Land- Living w/ the Land is deffinitly similar to its original. Soarin' is really cool. I love going on it and it's way better then Food Rocks!
The Living Seas vs. The Seas w/ Nemo & Friends- LS was OK, but there was NOTHING special about it! SwNF is great, and much more enjoyable with the same, fun aquarium feel!
El Rio del Tiempo vs. Gran Fiesta Tour- ERdT was OK, but it was kind of creepy! GFT is a BILLION times better, and more kid friendly!
All in all Epcot is much more enjoyable, kids and teens have SO much more to do, but they learn as well! And FW deffinitly hasn't lost it's meaning, and WS is virtually the same as always! Epcot is an excellent park!
Spaceship Earth- now that has been basically untouched until now, and honestly, I loved the first time I went on it, then the 50th time I knew it needed to change. I can't wait to see the new one!
Communicore vs. Innoventions- honestly, I have never seen Communicore videos that would inform me how it was like, but I've read up on all the attractions. I think Innoventions is just as fun, educational, and probably more kid- friendly!
UOE vs. Ellen's Energy Adventure- OK, I saw the first five minutes of the UOE video, and was bored to DEATH! EEA is great! I laugh a lot on it, and deffinitly learn about energy too!
WOL- I saw videos, it looked fun, let's hope we'll get a great replacement soon!
Horizons vs. Mission: SPACE- I saw the video of Horizons and enjoyed it! My last trip I did M:S and it was great! I did green version, and can't even think what orange would be like! (shivvers) I found it educational, and thought it was so cool to experience how astronauts train!
WOM vs. Test Track- I've seen WOM videos and thought it was very cute! Now TT is my favorite ride in the world, so I deffinitly like it better, and it deffinitly teaches you how cars are tsted and even built in a very awesome way!
Journey into Imagination- I saw the video and admit Disney made a HUGE mistake! The original was great, and I still enjoy the current one, but it was deffinitly no comparison! I find if you don't think about the old ride, the current one is a very nice ride.
The Land- Living w/ the Land is deffinitly similar to its original. Soarin' is really cool. I love going on it and it's way better then Food Rocks!
The Living Seas vs. The Seas w/ Nemo & Friends- LS was OK, but there was NOTHING special about it! SwNF is great, and much more enjoyable with the same, fun aquarium feel!
El Rio del Tiempo vs. Gran Fiesta Tour- ERdT was OK, but it was kind of creepy! GFT is a BILLION times better, and more kid friendly!
All in all Epcot is much more enjoyable, kids and teens have SO much more to do, but they learn as well! And FW deffinitly hasn't lost it's meaning, and WS is virtually the same as always! Epcot is an excellent park!
Hey guys ,sorry I've neglected this topic for so long, I've been out.
That's good news.Hope to hear more good things about Jim's leadership of Epcot.
Enderiki,don't you think it's a tad hypocritical that your stating that my all my posts are based on opinion when you openly give your opinion of EPCOT Center as "BORING!"?When I make my posts,yes, it is based on my opinions and the other people who have supported me in this thread.This entire thread is based off of what some EPCOT fans would like to see return and what we though of as the "good old days." Must I blatantly end my posts with -THIS POST IS BASED OFF OF MY OWN AND SIMILAR OPINIONS-?I thought we were bigger than that.Also,there's no need to be rude,so far we've had this discussion in a very polite manner.If you have nothing nice to post,don't post at all,I'm sure that's in the rules somewhere.:wave:
That's good news.Hope to hear more good things about Jim's leadership of Epcot.
Thanks you for your opinions.They might be different than mine,but I still respect them
CaptainMichael
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I find it disheartening that all traces of the 25th celebration have "disappeared" around the park...but they were nice while they lasted. I do my best to remind guests about it when I spiel on the boats.