tcool123
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That’s just the box office we have no way of knowing oh how Raya is doing on Disney+ and then once it’s officially on home media and free on Disney+
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Raya and the Last Dragon
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It'll show up on the Nielsen's top ten list for sure in a few weeks (which will then report this week's figures). Then we'll see how it did in homes.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Plus I suspect if it did well on D+ Chapek will mention it during the Shareholder call this week.
Jedijax719
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I may be in the minority in thinking that Disney really had no choice but to put this (and others) on D+ for $30 while releasing it in theaters. The bad move was not budging with Cinemark. That was a HUGE mistake in my opinion but who knows what the number crunchers said. They're the professionals and I'm just in my own family's bubble.
Nothing is orthodox right now. It's all trial and error to be honest. Disney and other studios can experiment to see what works the best (got straight to streaming, use the hybrid model, release only to theaters). But there are going to be MASSIVE losses either way. Raya probably would have stood a VERY good chance of making $200 million domestic and at least $500-$600 million worldwide and probably more. This, like any other release, was never made to deal with these times. These films were made to go to the theater and make money. So they have to do what they can to make money. Charging $30 is not a bad decision because it's a choice. It may not be good for individuals or couples but it's good for families. And for those who want to, they can wait until June. It doesn't cost Disney a penny to put it on Premier Access.
The real stinger is going to be with the 3 Disney MCU films that are coming out: Black Widow, Shang-Chi, and Eternals. Likewise, Spidey NWH is going to be a conundrum because who knows which streaming service will, if any, release it the same day as theaters.
Nothing is orthodox right now. It's all trial and error to be honest. Disney and other studios can experiment to see what works the best (got straight to streaming, use the hybrid model, release only to theaters). But there are going to be MASSIVE losses either way. Raya probably would have stood a VERY good chance of making $200 million domestic and at least $500-$600 million worldwide and probably more. This, like any other release, was never made to deal with these times. These films were made to go to the theater and make money. So they have to do what they can to make money. Charging $30 is not a bad decision because it's a choice. It may not be good for individuals or couples but it's good for families. And for those who want to, they can wait until June. It doesn't cost Disney a penny to put it on Premier Access.
The real stinger is going to be with the 3 Disney MCU films that are coming out: Black Widow, Shang-Chi, and Eternals. Likewise, Spidey NWH is going to be a conundrum because who knows which streaming service will, if any, release it the same day as theaters.
Disneyfanman
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This was a great movie! The most fun at a new flick that I had all year! And the short...........Incredible. I'm really sad that there were only about 10 people in the theater. I think Disney flubbed the marketing too. My sons wanted to see it but I had really heard very little abotu it other than the stories about it being on D+. This movie needs to succeed. I hope it builds an audience.
Remember though, Raya actually opened in over 20% LESS theaters than Tom and Jerry. 4 of the 6 major movie circuits didn't play them (3 boycotted, and 1 is closed)
Here is an article for those interested - https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-raya-last-dragon-tom-and-jerry/
Here is an article for those interested - https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-raya-last-dragon-tom-and-jerry/
Tangled and Princess and the Frog and Wreck-it Ralph were not theatrically profitable, and yet, they were well received and have lived on in the after-market and the parks.
Even if all theater chains had carried Raya, it would never have performed like in the pre-COVID days.
The real measure of Raya is good reviews, a plus for "the Disney brand," and the diversity the film brings with Southeast Asian representation. This will translate well into the parks.
Not to mention how empowering it is for women in that Raya and her frenemy were both raised to be warriors without having it hand waved with special powers (live action Mulan) or last resort training (animated Mulan) or having to fight a patriarchy (Brave). Everyone just accepted they were accomplished leaders and warriors; and gender (and age) wasn't an issue.
Even if all theater chains had carried Raya, it would never have performed like in the pre-COVID days.
The real measure of Raya is good reviews, a plus for "the Disney brand," and the diversity the film brings with Southeast Asian representation. This will translate well into the parks.
Not to mention how empowering it is for women in that Raya and her frenemy were both raised to be warriors without having it hand waved with special powers (live action Mulan) or last resort training (animated Mulan) or having to fight a patriarchy (Brave). Everyone just accepted they were accomplished leaders and warriors; and gender (and age) wasn't an issue.
Magenta Panther
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Oh, so what really matters is "good reviews" and diversity and representation and blah blah blah.
Give me a break, Penguin. Yes, you're an avid apologist for Iger, we all know that, but this is ridiculous. In Hollywood, MONEY is what matters, and Raya is (apparently) an embarrassing failure. Tom and freakin' Jerry (who's a jerk in that abysmal cartoon, from what I heard - god, don't current toon writers understand motivation and characterization at all????) BEAT IT. This is terrible. So why did this happen?
Hmm, well, maybe it's because little girls...don't necessarily want to be kickass. Maybe they prefer pretty clothes and castles and magic and royalty and guys fighting for them (atta girl, make him work for it!). Maybe they look at a character like Raya and think: meh. And then look at Belle and think "Yeah I wanna be like her!" Blasphemous talk, I know. But just maybe.
And, um, maybe little boys like kickass girl characters even less. Just sayin'.
Add to that Awkwafina ( kinda name is that anyway) doing an absolutely unfunny grating voice performance, and you get a dud, apparently. (Note to Disney: stop trying to copy Robin William's Genie for every magical sidekick you create. Not even Eddie Murphy could match Robin's performance. Try something new, for god's sake.)
Give me a break, Penguin. Yes, you're an avid apologist for Iger, we all know that, but this is ridiculous. In Hollywood, MONEY is what matters, and Raya is (apparently) an embarrassing failure. Tom and freakin' Jerry (who's a jerk in that abysmal cartoon, from what I heard - god, don't current toon writers understand motivation and characterization at all????) BEAT IT. This is terrible. So why did this happen?
Hmm, well, maybe it's because little girls...don't necessarily want to be kickass. Maybe they prefer pretty clothes and castles and magic and royalty and guys fighting for them (atta girl, make him work for it!). Maybe they look at a character like Raya and think: meh. And then look at Belle and think "Yeah I wanna be like her!" Blasphemous talk, I know. But just maybe.
And, um, maybe little boys like kickass girl characters even less. Just sayin'.
Add to that Awkwafina ( kinda name is that anyway) doing an absolutely unfunny grating voice performance, and you get a dud, apparently. (Note to Disney: stop trying to copy Robin William's Genie for every magical sidekick you create. Not even Eddie Murphy could match Robin's performance. Try something new, for god's sake.)
Watched it last night. I liked it. Wasn't anything too amazing but it was good. Was a nice feel good movie. Not gonna lie though. I'm getting used to watching these new releases at home. its going to be hard to go back to the movies for exclusive theatrical releases. Personally I feel If they put Black Widow on Disney Plus that's it, its game over for theaters. They need to be prepared to have that be the norm moving forward for all MCU movies. You cant just do one and then not the others. People are going to expect to be able to watch Shang-Chi, Eternals, Thor 4, DS2 etc on Disney+. That's the expectation you set by making that move, and If they do it, I think its going to be hard for the audience to go back.
Magenta has always been biased when it comes to newer Disney Animated Films.
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Hold up, "embarrassing failure"?
This movie is barely a month old (heck not even a week old) and you're already calling this a failure? At least give it a few more months before jumping to conclusions. Also how is Penguin an "Iger apologist"?
What's next, calling "Encanto" (Disney's next animated film) a failure and something about "wokeness" and calling others an Iger apologist?
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if it hasn't broken 1 billion dollars in its first 3 days it is a total failure. Don't you know this.Hold up, "embarrassing failure"?
This movie is barely a month old (heck not even a week old) and you're already calling this a failure? At least give it a few more months before jumping to conclusions. Also how is Penguin an "Iger apologist"?
What's next, calling "Encanto" (Disney's next animated film) a failure and something about "wokeness" and calling others an Iger apologist?
Jedijax719
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With a confirmed "free" release date for Raya and more people getting PA than other films (due to so many D+subscribers), and no Cinemark (or Regal for that matter), the numbers are.........to be honest, I have NO idea what to make of numbers in the box office right now. The whole industry is in the dumps.
Well get some idea at the share holder meeting tomorrow. If Black Widow is confirmed for PA you'll know Raya at least did as well as Mulan. If not better.
Magenta Panther
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Oh ye of too much faith:
www.cartoonbrew.com
www.forbes.com
finance.yahoo.com
boundingintocomics.com
Disney's 'Raya And The Last Dragon' Flops With $8.6M Domestically, 39% Lower Than 'Tom & Jerry'
The film also opened on Disney+ for a premium fee of $30.
www.cartoonbrew.com
Box Office: Disney’s ‘Raya And The Last Dragon’ Stumbles With Mere $26.2M Global Bow
Even on a pandemic-specific curve, Walt Disney's latest animated epic, ‘Raya and the Last Dragon,’ still opened 1/3 lower than last week's 'Tom & Jerry' movie.
www.forbes.com
Disney's 'Raya And The Last Dragon' Opens To Disappointing $8.6M Domestic Box Office
The Walt Disney Co.’s (NYSE: DIS) “Raya and The Last Dragon” was the top grossing film over the weekend, albeit with a somewhat anemic $8.6 million at the domestic box office and an equally underwhelming $17.6 million in box office returns from 32 global markets. What Happened: The first...
Disney's Raya and the Last Dragon Fails At Box Office
Disney's latest film, Raya and the Last Dragon, failed at the box office falling far short of industry expectations following the success of Warner Bros. Tom & Jerry.
boundingintocomics.com
Brer Panther
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Well, we ARE still in the middle of a pandemic...
To be fair, we're in a middle of a pandemic!Oh ye of too much faith:
Disney's 'Raya And The Last Dragon' Flops With $8.6M Domestically, 39% Lower Than 'Tom & Jerry'
The film also opened on Disney+ for a premium fee of $30.
Box Office: Disney’s ‘Raya And The Last Dragon’ Stumbles With Mere $26.2M Global Bow
Even on a pandemic-specific curve, Walt Disney's latest animated epic, ‘Raya and the Last Dragon,’ still opened 1/3 lower than last week's 'Tom & Jerry' movie.
Disney's 'Raya And The Last Dragon' Opens To Disappointing $8.6M Domestic Box Office
The Walt Disney Co.’s (NYSE: DIS) “Raya and The Last Dragon” was the top grossing film over the weekend, albeit with a somewhat anemic $8.6 million at the domestic box office and an equally underwhelming $17.6 million in box office returns from 32 global markets. What Happened: The first...
Disney's Raya and the Last Dragon Fails At Box Office
Disney's latest film, Raya and the Last Dragon, failed at the box office falling far short of industry expectations following the success of Warner Bros. Tom & Jerry.
tcool123
Well-Known Member
As were Fantasia, Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty and those are Disney related
Do any of those have streaming numbers? If they do toot your horn, but until then we should wait before declaring it failed where streaming is the sign if success in the midst of a pandemic.Oh ye of too much faith:
Disney's 'Raya And The Last Dragon' Flops With $8.6M Domestically, 39% Lower Than 'Tom & Jerry'
The film also opened on Disney+ for a premium fee of $30.
Box Office: Disney’s ‘Raya And The Last Dragon’ Stumbles With Mere $26.2M Global Bow
Even on a pandemic-specific curve, Walt Disney's latest animated epic, ‘Raya and the Last Dragon,’ still opened 1/3 lower than last week's 'Tom & Jerry' movie.
Disney's 'Raya And The Last Dragon' Opens To Disappointing $8.6M Domestic Box Office
The Walt Disney Co.’s (NYSE: DIS) “Raya and The Last Dragon” was the top grossing film over the weekend, albeit with a somewhat anemic $8.6 million at the domestic box office and an equally underwhelming $17.6 million in box office returns from 32 global markets. What Happened: The first...
Disney's Raya and the Last Dragon Fails At Box Office
Disney's latest film, Raya and the Last Dragon, failed at the box office falling far short of industry expectations following the success of Warner Bros. Tom & Jerry.