Rapunzel's tower has arrived.

bubbles1812

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Rapunzel will be in the Princess Fairy Tale Hall for her meet and greet.

Her tower in the distance is just a theming element. And the bathroom area are the buildings from her town. It will just be a pretty area where there is a nice traffic flow instead of the congestion that was there before. The restrooms are going to free up space by Peter Pan because the current restrooms there are going to be removed so that a very exciting new queue can be made for Pan...so think of the restrooms as being part of a bigger picture. Everything will make more sense to you when it's all completed and the Pan restrooms are removed and the new interactive queue added there.

I think you missed the point of his post. I'm sure "everything will make more sense" in terms of layout of the layout of the land when it is complete. I think he got that the tower is just a nice theming element as well. But explain that to the 3 year old girl who sees Rapunzel's tower and expects to see Rapunzel there. Or heck, even some of the older elementary school kids. I can see it now...

7 year old girl: Oh look, it's Rapunzel's Tower daddy! Let's go ride the ride and see Rapunzel and Max and Flynn and Pasquel!
Dad: Ok sweetie!
7 year old girl: Daddy, I see the tower but where is the ride?
Dad: I don't know baby. Lets look around.
7 year old girl: Is Rapunzel here?
Dad: I'm sorry honey. I know it seemed like this area would have a lot to it from far off but it looks like the only thing you can do is go to the bathroom.
7 year old girl: Oh. I I really wanted see all of them and I don't have to go pee *sad face*

Obviously an exaggeration but not by any means an implausible scenario. And that was his point. it's a nicely themed area that looks pretty from afar and could and most likely will be easily confusable to guests as an area of more "substance" than just a bathroom. I don't think the kids are going to give a rat's that they can go look at the new Peter Pan queue when they were expecting a Rapunzel ride or at the very least, a M&G.
 

Patricia Melton

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But explain that to the 3 year old girl who sees Rapunzel's tower and expects to see Rapunzel there. Or heck, even some of the older elementary school kids. I can see it now...

I think it's pretty easy to explain:

Child: Where is Rapunzel? Is she in the tower?
You: No, she used to be in the tower, remember...but then she got free. She's not there anymore. That is where she used to live.
Child: Where is she now?
You: Let's go find her in the Fairytale Hall where she's hanging out with her other princess friends.

How hard is that?
 

Maerj

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You do realize that the general public has no idea what "weenies" are, right?

They will see the tower and be drawn into Fantasyland as they want to get a better look at it...and then they will be drawn through the new path into Fantasyland.

It's not necessarily an attraction that is a "weenie". The biggest weenie of them all is at the end of Main Street and it's not an attraction...but a big castle that draws guests into Fantasyland from that vantage point.

Oh you'd be surprised by how many people know what weenies are. Even if they don't refer to them as weenies per se, they know what they are and how they work. People love them, they are drawn to them.
 

Maerj

Well-Known Member
Exactly this.

I wonder if there were even malcontents before the Internet. If there were, I wonder how they found each other and expressed themselves. Maybe they just wrote angry letters to Disney all the time that were never answered.

There were. In real life, we refer to them as 'weenies.'
 

bubbles1812

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I think it's pretty easy to explain:

Child: Where is Rapunzel? Is she in the tower?
You: No, she used to be in the tower, remember...but then she got free. She's not there anymore. That is where she used to live.
Child: Where is she now?
You: Let's go find her in the Fairytale Hall where she's hanging out with her other princess friends.

How hard is that?

You still missed my point. Again. There is a good majority of guests who do not do the research that say those on the boards do before going to the MK. Heck, there are a decent amount of people who don't grab maps to the park and of those who do, there are many who don't look at the maps in their pockets. So I'll say it slowly this time to see if you get it.... if they do not know about Fairytale Hall and or even if they do know about it, it is still not implausible to think that people will be confused and expect more than bathrooms in a nicely themed area based on Rapunzel. From far off, you see a tower... if you don't know what said tower is already, it's not unreasonable to think some guests would think that it's just a bathroom. I mean with the other "miniature," you at least get a restaurant underneath it.

And heck... if you want to get technical... the version of Rapunzel they have in the parks is the one with her blonde hair. She wasn't truly free until all her hair was cut off and then turned brown after her evil "mother" was defeated. Up until that point she was just out of her tower being chanced down by said evil mother ;)
 

gonnichi

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Im kinda thinking they want this to be seen from Liberty Square. The back of the tower is where the smaller room and second roof is located. It appears that this room can only be seen well from the side, like from the Liberty side. Not sure though if that was their intensions?

I also think that most are right in saying that this is to overly themed to be just a restroom. If it was not so well done in its theming I dont think anyone would have a problem with it just being restroom. but since it looks so great guests are just going to be expecting something more. just my opinion. After a few years go by and most guests get use to it just being a restroom it will not be a big deal that it is only a restroom. It will just be a great little area to walk through.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
...But no one has EVER complained about the hybrid 16th- to 19th-century Teutonic castle at the end of a 1905 All-American Main Street? Of course not. There's nothing anachronistic about that. It makes perfect sense, right?
The Castles get mentioned all fo the time as examples of why more visual intrusions should be considered acceptable, but it is a lousy example. The placement of the of the Castles plays on the pattern of the American Main Street which was idolized in Main Street, USA. These common streets were typically anchored by some structure of significance, in older towns it was typically a church, in latter Mid- and Western towns it was often a civic structure. These were the local landmarks which defined the local skyline and worked as a symbol of the town. At the Magic Kingdom's the function and form have changed, but not the typology. 19th century revivalist castles, not medieval castles, mark the end of the Main Street, USA as a signifier that this place is both familiar and yet different. It is a deliberate action which is given significance in its uniqueness.

You do realize that the general public has no idea what "weenies" are, right?

They will see the tower and be drawn into Fantasyland as they want to get a better look at it...and then they will be drawn through the new path into Fantasyland.

It's not necessarily an attraction that is a "weenie". The biggest weenie of them all is at the end of Main Street and it's not an attraction...but a big castle that draws guests into Fantasyland from that vantage point.
People may not know the term "weenie" but they very well know what they are, otherwise they would not be a component of design as they would not work. But we know the term because they do work.

I also did not use the term attraction, I said experience. The Castles are part of the procession down Main Street, USA and the introduction to the hub where one may then move onto the real of the Magic Kingdom. At this point the weenie for Fantasyland is the carousel, the motion of which is viewed beyond the Castle which is not acting as a portal. Now yes, this tower could be a weenie down the Fantasyland corridor (or Liberty Square), but that is still an odd placement. The area is being expanded because it is already crowded. There is no need to draw more people to this place as it is already a traffic thoroughfare. So why is there a desire to attract more people to experience the Liberty Square - Fantasyland transition and these new restrooms? Why is this an experience that should be given significance with a strong visual language?

Rapunzel will be in the Princess Fairy Tale Hall for her meet and greet.

Her tower in the distance is just a theming element. And the bathroom area are the buildings from her town. It will just be a pretty area where there is a nice traffic flow instead of the congestion that was there before. The restrooms are going to free up space by Peter Pan because the current restrooms there are going to be removed so that a very exciting new queue can be made for Pan...so think of the restrooms as being part of a bigger picture. Everything will make more sense to you when it's all completed and the Pan restrooms are removed and the new interactive queue added there.
Those are all operation and logistical considerations.

I think it's pretty easy to explain:

Child: Where is Rapunzel? Is she in the tower?
You: No, she used to be in the tower, remember...but then she got free. She's not there anymore. That is where she used to live.
Child: Where is she now?
You: Let's go find her in the Fairytale Hall where she's hanging out with her other princess friends.

How hard is that?
Apparently it is quite hard. Otherwise we would be visiting an un-enchanted French castle instead of one that is inhabited by a monster so terrifying he is simply known as The Beast. We've seen the movie, and we all know the curse was lifted, but those versions of the characters are not the ones that get seen.
 

Clyde

Active Member
You were able to see the Contemporary (and later Space Mountain) from Fantasyland since the park opened. You can see Frontierland from Liberty Square, Adventure and Tomorrowland from Main Street, Big Thunder and Splash from the Haunted Mansion, etc. Certain things that don't fit in were always visible from some areas. You just can't hide everthing.
Right ? I'm really surprised at how petty everyone is being with being able to see this from anywhere other than FL. This just may be the worlds most beautiful bathroom and it fills out the end of FL with the style of NFL. Not everything is about an attraction. It's about the entire experience. This tower and BR is going to be a beautiful experience with being able to be in the Tangled castle square where Rapunzel was dancing. What are all the complaints about?
People just hate change man. Change bad!!! :D I love this whole friggin NFL deal going on at MK.
 

tl77

Well-Known Member
The tower looks great, and according to the blue prints there are still a lot trees that need to be planted

it's funny, but isn't this is the exact same debate that took place about the Dumbo show building? Then... after it was finished... they covered it with trees and everything was fine

thanks for posting the pics
 

Scuttle

Well-Known Member
Great look - I will not complain about seeing architecture from a new Disney classic animated film, especially a fairytale film, in the Magic Kingdom park.

As for complaining about seeing Rapunzel's tower from Liberty Square, Cinderella's castle has been visible from certain spots there ever since day 1.

That's a bit different. The castle is in the center of the park and isn't really in a designated land. I think the tower looks great, but I am with everyone else about the sight lines.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
The tower looks great, and according to the blue prints there are still a lot trees that need to be planted

it's funny, but isn't this is the exact same debate that took place about the Dumbo show building? Then... after it was finished... they covered it with trees and everything was fine

thanks for posting the pics
My complaint is not just about being visible outside of Fantasyland, but also its visibility inside Fantasyland.
 

gonnichi

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The Rapunzel area will make a great entry point into fantasyland. Ofcourse entering fantasyland through the castle is even better. Entering through the Fantasyland Railroad depot is much better now since it is in Storybook Circus. but I hope they do something with the Mad Hatter Tea Cups ride roof. This entry point into fantasyland is not looking good at all. I have heard they may redo the roof, lets hope they do just that.
 

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
And heck... if you want to get technical... the version of Rapunzel they have in the parks is the one with her blonde hair. She wasn't truly free until all her hair was cut off and then turned brown after her evil "mother" was defeated. Up until that point she was just out of her tower being chanced down by said evil mother ;)

You can't go to a Disney park and think things stick to continuity so closely. Yes, Rapunzel has brown hair at the end of her movie but she has the long blonde hair in the park. If you want to be "technical" about that then you should never set foot inside New Fantasyland.

Several different time periods are represented in the different Beauty & the Beast attractions alone: Maurice's house is set after the movie, Story Time with Belle is set during the movie right before the ballroom dance scene, BoG restaurant is set sometime during the movie before the Beast changes back (but all the staff members claim to be formerly enchanted objects who have been changed back). Etc.

You can play the same "technical" game with Little Mermaid too.

There is not strict continuity in the parks with these attractions. They just choose the most fun and best moments and the most iconic looks for the characters, regardless of when those things happened in the movies.
 

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