Question on "The Village" (spoilers)

[no2apprentice]

Interesting discussion. How about this point?

Ivy knew there were no monsters. Yet when she heard someone else near her, she was afraid. She never asked, "Who is it?" She had not reached the path yet, so it could not have been one of "town" people.

And, while we are at it, let's talk about The Sixth Sense, which everyone seems to hold on a mantle to compare Night's films. Let's see, someone goes through a perod of existence (I can't remember the time frame between when Bruce Willis' character was killed and when he started seeing the boy), but he NEVER notices the blood on his shirt, never notices NO ONE talks to him, NEVER notices he doesn't have to shave, shower, go poopy, etc., etc.? After all, the man was a person of science.

My point? Just what lebernadin said...you can over-analyze anything. If you want to find fault in anything, you can.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

leb:

I already acknowledged that there probably isn't an explanation that will please me here, but that's simply because I find the point to be such a massive breakdown in plotting. I understand that the entire plot was contingent on there being no medicine, which is why I said in the very first post here "Couldn't M. Night find a better reason to have Ivy go to the towns?" (to paraphrase) I respect your view that that's just the route MNS wanted to go, but I just can't let it go that easily, not when I'm sure a few extra hours locked in a room could have resulted in a script that follows some internal logic beyond just "the medicine isn't there because the movie demands it."

As for MNS being an actual director...well, the only thing that makes him an actual director is the fact that his material has been released by Hollywood. It hardly places his work above scrutiny, in my view. I'm an actual news reporter, but I'm always looking at my own work, thinking about what could have been done better. Minor slips I can forgive, which is why I asked in the first post if there was some detail I had missed that might justify this. Apparently, there wasn't. The meds weren't there because MNS wanted it that way. Fine...but it's crap writing. Being an actual director (and a damn good one, I'll say right away) doesn't earn him a pass there.

My 2 cc

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I would assume from the Props Department.

Where did they get the cotton/wool to make all the clothes?
Where did they get all their food from, they didn't show us enough meat/vegetables to feed the entire Village.
Why were there some older people who were "in on it" and other that weren't?
Why did the film start when it did and end when it did?
Why 1897?
Where can't we build a death star?
Why is Kermit the frog green when certainly not all frogs are green?
Why did Donnie Darko make those choices?

There IS such a thing as over-analysis.

I understand that there are some questions that are basically akin to "why is the sky blue?" or "why don't dogs fly?" (i.e., the answer is "just because, don't ask.") Based on this post, you feel that all the questions in this thread are basically along those lines. I think this question is more like "why didn't he just flip that switch that said 'Kill Bad Guy' instead of fighting him hand-to-hand for 15 minutes?" (i.e., the answer is "Wow, I don't know. That would have been a LOT easier.") I suppose that's where the disagreement lies...the perception of the question.

 

[imagineer99]

Interesting discussion. How about this point?

Ivy knew there were no monsters. Yet when she heard someone else near her, she was afraid. She never asked, "Who is it?" She had not reached the path yet, so it could not have been one of "town" people.

And, while we are at it, let's talk about The Sixth Sense, which everyone seems to hold on a mantle to compare Night's films. Let's see, someone goes through a perod of existence (I can't remember the time frame between when Bruce Willis' character was killed and when he started seeing the boy), but he NEVER notices the blood on his shirt, never notices NO ONE talks to him, NEVER notices he doesn't have to shave, shower, go poopy, etc., etc.? After all, the man was a person of science.

My point? Just what lebernadin said...you can over-analyze anything. If you want to find fault in anything, you can.

You forget that Malcolm is in a "Dream State" throughout the entire movie. "He sees only what, he wants to see." His existence (as with all the ghosts) is an altered state of perception. It took affection from his wife after solving Cole's problems, to realize the truth.

My take on M. Night is as follows:
The man has the POTENTIAL to be the greatest director of our modern time. However, he needs to continue to progress. He needs to start treating his audience with a little more--respect.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I would assume from the Props Department.

Where did they get the cotton/wool to make all the clothes? Sheep
Where did they get all their food from, they didn't show us enough meat/vegetables to feed the entire Village. The had animals...and...crops (remember..."These aren't like berries I have seen before")
Why were there some older people who were "in on it" and other that weren't? Lots of drugs
Why did the film start when it did and end when it did? They ran out of film
Why 1897? This was a typo
Where can't we build a death star? We could and it was planned, but Eisner cancelled it due to funding and lack of a sponsor.
Why is Kermit the frog green when certainly not all frogs are green? Good question, it ain't easy being green...but Kermie does a good job of it...He could've been any color of the rainbow connection.
Why did Donnie Darko make those choices? Because Donnie Lighto wouldn't have.

There IS such a thing as over-analysis.

:wave:

 

[Dizknee_Phreek]

I had never really thought about the medical suppies, to be honest...I guess I just assumed that maybe they had some at one time, but perhaps ran out.
MY question would have to be, what was Lucius's 'color'? Throughout the entire movie, I kept expecting Ivy to tell him it was red. But because she never told him, it made me expect even more that it was red. But then wouldn't she have been afraid of him? So I started thinking maybe it was yellow. And since the movie ended without Ivy telling him any more about his color, I suppose I'll never know...unless it shows up on the DVD's deleted scenes (assuming there will be deleted scenes).
And on the same subject as color...in the forest, when Ivy encounters Noah as the creature, wouldn't she have known it was him by his color...not to mention the fact that she already knew the creatures weren't real.
Overall, I thought the movie wasn't bad. The plot was fairly good (though completely predictable...and the ending was horrible), the camera angles and such were really nice, the script was good (no corny lines or what-not, from what I can remember), and the acting was great. Still, I couldn't help comparing it to the greatness of Signs (my favorite of M. Night's films). I think one of the biggest differences between the two is that with Signs there were so many little details that I didn't know which ones to take seriously and which ones to ignore (that's just my take, of course. I know a lot of people thought Signs was predictable and horrible). After seeing it the first time, I wanted to see it again so I could get a better look at all of the details (not to mention Joaquin). With The Village, all the details seemed to be presented in a way that made the plot predictable. Once was most definately enough for The Village as I felt like there was nothing to go back, re-view, and pick up on. Not even Joaquin can make me want to see this movie again in theaters.
But after all that, I must say that it is an original movie.

 

[stranger]

MY question would have to be, what was Lucius's 'color'? Throughout the entire movie, I kept expecting Ivy to tell him it was red. But because she never told him, it made me expect even more that it was red. But then wouldn't she have been afraid of him? So I started thinking maybe it was yellow.

I was wondering the same thing, but came to the conclusion that his color was yellow seeing that she felt safe with him.

Ivy knew there were no monsters. Yet when she heard someone else near her, she was afraid.

Remember Ivy's dad told her of rumors of creatures existing in the forest and she grew up with that fear. Naturally, just hearing the possibility of them existing, her fear would still be there

 

[no2apprentice]

You forget that Malcolm is in a "Dream State" throughout the entire movie. "He sees only what, he wants to see." His existence (as with all the ghosts) is an altered state of perception. It took affection from his wife after solving Cole's problems, to realize the truth.

But who's to say what ghosts experience (given that there are ghosts)? Night simply wrote a storyline to accomplish the twist ending. He does the same with his other films.

What I find interesting about some of the points presented, is that some people have a harder time accepting a storyline that people band together in a protected community to protect their loved ones from the horrors of the modern world (to keep them innocent), and find it easier accepting the storyline that ghosts walk the earth because they don't want to believe that their dead and a small boy can see them and communicate with them. Now that's a twist.

 

[imagineer99]

Uh....stranger...

I never wrote that... :wave:

As for the Sixth Sense storyline, I think that ghosts are just a neat vehicle Shyamalan uses to get his message of acceptance across.

 

[stranger]

You're right. It's been a long day :wave: .

 

[imagineer99]

You're right. It's been a long day :wave: .

No problem

 

[Slipknot]

in the forest, when Ivy encounters Noah as the creature, wouldn't she have known it was him by his color...not to mention the fact that she already knew the creatures weren't real.

Maybe it's people's skin that gives off the color. That being said, all we see of Noah in the costume BEFORE it's revealed that it is him, is just the creature costume, and nothing to say its a guy in a suit...

As for this whole thread, its just the same as when "Signs" came out. OVER-ANALYZING every little detail that bugs the movie-goer.

 

[WDWDen]

It made me laugh when Ivy starts running away the second that the 'creature' puts its arms out. She is blind and she saw that?? I am not one to over analyze, but that whole part was pretty funny! :animwink:

BTW-I'm Dennis :wave: I have heard good things about this place, so I thought I'd come on over and check it out. I actually registered last year, but never posted. Well, at least I don't remember posting!

 

[WDWFREAK53]

BTW-I'm Dennis :wave:

Old Woman!

MAN!

Sorry!

I'm 37!

Whuh?

I'm 37...I'm not old!

And you can call me Dennis not old man!

I didn't know you were called Dennis!

Well, you didn't bother to find out did you!

HELP HELP I'm being repressed! :lookaroun


Welcome to Magic...and I'm sorry...it's been a long day

 

[WDWDen]

:lol: Well, you just managed to thoroughly confuse me!! :veryconfu Of course, that is not too dificult. :animwink: But hey, thanks for the welcome....ahh?? dood!! I THINK!

 

[WDWFREAK53]

:lol: Well, you just managed to thoroughly confuse me!! :veryconfu Of course, that is not too dificult. :animwink: But hey, thanks for the welcome....ahh?? dood!! I THINK!

Yes...I'm a DUDE....SWEET! :lookaroun

(BTW...that was a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail)

 

[WDWDen]

Yes...I'm a DUDE....SWEET! :lookaroun

(BTW...that was a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail)

The Holy Grail huh!! I like funny movies, but I just couldnt get passed the beginning when they were riding their 'stick' horses. The part where they kept on cutting off that guys limbs was kinda funny though!! :lol: That is about as far as I got in that one!!

 

[WDWFREAK53]

The Holy Grail huh!! I like funny movies, but I just couldnt get passed the beginning when they were riding their 'stick' horses. The part where they kept on cutting off that guys limbs was kinda funny though!! :lol: That is about as far as I got in that one!!

LMAO...watch about 5 more minutes of the film and you'll get to the Dennis part :lol:

 

[Legacy]

And on the same subject as color...in the forest, when Ivy encounters Noah as the creature, wouldn't she have known it was him by his color...not to mention the fact that she already knew the creatures weren't real.

Ivy makes the statement at the beginning of the movie that only some people give off the color, most notably Luscious and her father. That however, is an obscure line that can be understandibly forgotten.

In regards to the film, it was decent, but I think Night needs to start trying to add a little variety to the types of films he directs. Sixth Sense was great, Signs was great, I really liked Unbreakable, The Village was so-so. The greatest aspect of the movie was the girl who played Ivy (Ron Howard's kid). The twist was disappointing (I had read it a week before... here, ironically) and I felt that the overall story was weak. Technically, Night is an absolutely amazing director. He understands the importance of cinematography and music, and allows the characters to carry the story. However, I think his creative juices are running a bit low, and he needs to start directing other things while he thinks up another great idea.


Now, Collateral is the best movie to come out this summer.

 

[imagineer99]

Collateral WAS good.

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However, am I the only person who thought that Tom Cruise should have lived? The film degraded into standard action stuff in the last 15 minutes.