Props removed from Adventurers Club, signage removed from Bet Soundstage and Comedy

[71jason]

Then again, sending it to AK wouldn't be a bad idea either.

There was a time I'd point out that the AdvClub, with its tenuous (and hostile) relationship to animals has no place in AK...but then they went and announced Avatar Land, so I guess anything's on the table.

I still maintain it will never work as a stand-alone or theme park venue.

 

[wilsonhanks]

There was a time I'd point out that the AdvClub, with its tenuous (and hostile) relationship to animals has no place in AK...but then they went and announced Avatar Land, so I guess anything's on the table.

I still maintain it will never work as a stand-alone or theme park venue.

bah hum bug..... Avatar in Disney is as Disney as Disney gets.....


... Disneyland & Magic Kingdom are the type of parks that shouldn't have 3rd party characters.....

I know your obsessed with bears, but no one cares about seeing stupid pandas when visiting disney.....

 

[wilsonhanks]

bah hum bug..... Avatar in Disney is as Disney as Disney gets.....


Disneyland & Magic Kingdom are the type of parks that shouldn't have 3rd party characters.....

I know your obsessed with bears, but no one cares about seeing stupid pandas when visiting disney.....

then again....most Disney characters are just remakes of older characters... so there!

 

[Fable McCloud]

I simply mean that if they don't plan on putting the AC back in DTD then they need to put it somewhere, and AK is the closest thing other than Adventureland...

But no one wants that, not even the most avid AC fans.

I just want it back, because it was the one thing I always wanted to see but never got to.

Also...I wanna get a REAL Kungaloosh, not one I made at home.

 

[71jason]

I simply mean that if they don't plan on putting the AC back in DTD then they need to put it somewhere, and AK is the closest thing other than Adventureland...

Since you never visited, I can understand, the fanboi descriptions and Youtube videos do not really capture the place. Ultimately, tho, it was too tied into PI to be moved elsewhere. The humor depended on a steady stream of people who (1) had no idea what the place was when they walked in and (2) were a bit tipsy. The fun was seeing some party girl in heels and a mini-dress walk in and suddenly find herself being called a "hootchie" from the stage, or some convention-goer from Podunk being drawn into a conversation with a talking mask on the wall, or Spring Break girls giggling about the innuendo in "I'm Your Mailman" only to realize by the end of the song that the fake Boy Scout singing it was in on the joke all along. In other words, the humor was in seeing unsuspecting guests get played (or punk'd or whatever the kids call it these days). If it's just the usual fanbois every night, the Club quickly turns into Rocky Horror.

BTW, @ Wilson Hanks: bears have a better ROI than ThunderSmurfs! Don't make me take you to the Yogi Bear Dojo. Namaste Boo Boo.

 

[71jason]

then again....most Disney characters are just remakes of older characters... so there!

True, but Walt (and Katenzenburg/Eisner/Wells' team) managed to give them a timeless quality in a visual medium, something they had not had before. People knew the story of Snow White, but it took Walt to make a character people would look at and instantly say, "oh, Snow White." Even 70 years later...

 

[Mouse Detective]

Since you never visited, I can understand, the fanboi descriptions and Youtube videos do not really capture the place. Ultimately, tho, it was too tied into PI to be moved elsewhere. The humor depended on a steady stream of people who (1) had no idea what the place was when they walked in and (2) were a bit tipsy. The fun was seeing some party girl in heels and a mini-dress walk in and suddenly find herself being called a "hootchie" from the stage, or some convention-goer from Podunk being drawn into a conversation with a talking mask on the wall, or Spring Break girls giggling about the innuendo in "I'm Your Mailman" only to realize by the end of the song that the fake Boy Scout singing it was in on the joke all along. In other words, the humor was in seeing unsuspecting guests get played (or punk'd or whatever the kids call it these days).

The best description of the place I've ever read.

 

[Mouse Detective]

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[jakeman]

In other words, the humor was in seeing unsuspecting guests get played (or punk'd or whatever the kids call it these days).

Well that sounds like a delightfully unwelcoming place for new folks.

I know when I'm on vacation I'm always on the lookout for places that both the employees and other patrons will ridicule me and scoff at my lack of knowledge of their inside jokes. :brick:

It seems like your good time was dependent on a sense of superiority over newcomers to the bar.

 

[71jason]

Well that sounds like a delightfully unwelcoming place for new folks.

I know when I'm on vacation I'm always on the lookout for places that both the employees and other patrons will ridicule me and scoff at my lack of knowledge of their inside jokes. :brick:

It seems like your good time was dependent on a sense of superiority over newcomers to the bar.

I agree--seeing humorless stick-in-the-mud fanbois get befuddled and run crying back to the Carousel of Progress was very much part of the fun. Of course, most of the "victims" learned to appreciate the humor as the joke went on and were "on the inside" by the end of the joke. See, there are actually guests at WDW who ENJOY new things, instead of nostalgia addicts who get bent out of shape when a parking lot changes names.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If you can't take a joke, your life must be miserable. It's still Disney - these aren't gonna be jokes that cross the line. A little humility is good for people.

 

[MichWolv]

Well that sounds like a delightfully unwelcoming place for new folks.

I know when I'm on vacation I'm always on the lookout for places that both the employees and other patrons will ridicule me and scoff at my lack of knowledge of their inside jokes. :brick:

It seems like your good time was dependent on a sense of superiority over newcomers to the bar.

Repeating my response to you from the PML...


As someone who visited 3 or 4 times each trip, I would say that it was the best combination of comedy, people-watching, drinking, and staged entertainment anywhere. There was a plot that went on all night; there were individual performances that needed no knowledge of the ongoing plot; there were stand-up comedy routines; there was audience participation; there were comfy chairs, things to look at, things to drink; it was an immersive environment in which you could have fun if not totally immersed, and even more if you were totally immersed. And it went on all night if you wanted.

As you can see, I loved the place. It is, quite frankly, about the only bar-type establishment that I have ever wanted to go to repeatedly for hours at a time -- the only place I've ever had a desire to go often enough to be a "regular". Music and dancing are fine, but after a night at a club, I'm good for months. Sportsbars are great, but I usually prefer having a few folks at my house to watch the games. But the Adventurers Club was a place I always wanted to hang out. Whether I was with a group, just with my wife (or previous girlfriends), or alone, I always knew I'd have a great time.

 

[jakeman]

Perhaps the description wasn't the best for the place then.

Like I said in the PML, the few times I went (which you could count on one hand), I had a good time and it seemed like, especially on my last visit, the opposite of 71jason's description was true.

The performers seemed to be annoyed with the folks that appeared to be regulars, even going so far as asking one of them, in a joking Disney way, if they would like to perform the show instead. It was just a touch awkward.

I never had a bad time and I can understand becoming a fan of the place as it was undeniably unique. With that said, it seems pretty apparent that Disney is set on not changing course at this point. Furthermore, the persistence of the AC fans at this point has taken on an air of melodrama that is becoming off-putting. Treason? Hallowed Steps? What does that type of over the top rhetoric serve, other than to make you (the fan in general) easier to dismiss?

The AC and the rest of PI should have never been closed. Disney managed the area poorly (intentionally or not) and had a knee jerk money grab idea on the precipice of an economic downturn. Furthermore, they didn't (and at this point looks like they won't) admit their mistake and reopen the clubs, but three years removed the club is starting to gather a following like Mr. Toad and Horizons. The balance is tipping from facts over to nostalgia.

I'm not saying that anyone should move on from their attempts to get Disney to re-open the club. More power to you if that's important to you. However, when has Disney listened to something besides money? How many of you that take time to lament the loss of the clubs, have stopped going to WDW all together? Perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and instead of speaking in hyperbole and sepia coloring photos emblazoned with "NEVER FORGET", stop supporting the Disney Company.

I know that comes across as pointed, and I don't mean for it to be as harsh as it sounds, but there is so much angst and gnashing of teeth from some individuals on an internet board, I'm always curious as to why they continue to support a company that seems to have wronged them so deeply.

 

[Mouse Detective]

I'm always curious as to why they continue to support a company that seems to have wronged them so deeply.

The Enchanted Tiki Room would not have returned without a lot on-going demands from fans. Michael Jackson's Captain EO would never have returned unless the fans repeated over and over again that they wanted it back. These are just recent examples but there are older examples too. AC deserves to come back and the public needs to keep the pressure on.

 

[Kamikaze]

The Enchanted Tiki Room would not have returned without a lot on-going demands from fans. Michael Jackson's Captain EO would never have returned unless the fans repeated over and over again that they wanted it back. These are just recent examples but there are older examples too. AC deserves to come back and the public needs to keep the pressure on.

The fire was what really pushed the Tiki Room change forward. Not 'fans'.
Jackson's death caused the EO return. Nothing else. And I wouldn't call the return of Captain EO a good thing.

 

[jakeman]

The Enchanted Tiki Room would not have returned without a lot on-going demands from fans. Michael Jackson's Captain EO would never have returned unless the fans repeated over and over again that they wanted it back. These are just recent examples but there are older examples too. AC deserves to come back and the public needs to keep the pressure on.

The Enchanted Tiki Room would have never come back if UNM hadn't burned down. Easy way to pander to the fans when you have to invest about the same amount of money either way.

EO came back to capitalize on the death of Michael Jackson. Nothing about that was driven by the fans. That was pure money.

 

[Kamikaze]

The Enchanted Tiki Room would have never come back if UNM hadn't burned down. Easy way to pander to the fans when you have to invest about the same amount of money either way.

EO came back to capitalize on the death of Michael Jackson. Nothing about that was driven by the fans. That was pure money.

Ha! :wave:

Great minds and all that.

Oh, and facts, too.

 

[Master Gracey]

The fire was what really pushed the Tiki Room change forward. Not 'fans'.
Jackson's death caused the EO return. Nothing else. And I wouldn't call the return of Captain EO a good thing.

The Enchanted Tiki Room would have never come back if UNM hadn't burned down. Easy way to pander to the fans when you have to invest about the same amount of money either way.

EO came back to capitalize on the death of Michael Jackson. Nothing about that was driven by the fans. That was pure money.

True but if the fans had not been constantly voicing their two cents, then something else would have been synergized and slapped into these attractions instead of the classics returning to their homes.

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!​

 

[wm49rs]

True but if the fans had not been constantly voicing their two cents, then something else would have been synergized and slapped into these attractions instead of the classics returning to their homes.

So, there was a clamor for Captain EO to come back, before Michael Jackson passed away?

And I understand there was a fan base for the return of the Original Tiki Room, but without the fire occurring, changes would not have been considered.

 

[Did Knee]

And I understand there was a fan base for the return of the Original Tiki Room, but without the fire occurring, changes would not have been considered.

So then we are in agreement, since TDO has unleashed an administrative "fire" on the AC, then bringing it back should be considered. :ROFLOL: